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[Gregory]

TC soldier should aim at the legs of GC soldier if he wanted to stop him. It is obvious that he aimed to kill GC soldier. This is the first mistake. The second mistake is shooting to not allow UN personal to help the GC soldier... and the 3rd mistake is not bringing the killer to a trial...

Idiot! How about not shooting someone who was not a threat? Read the verdict before posting such nonsense.

Hassikdir be göt! Retard!

Don't you dare come onto a public forum and argue that it is okay to shoot someone in the legs. Don't you care how people perceive you? Are you proud to be a barbarian? Show some respect, if not for yourself, then for the dead man's relatives.

Although Stelios had been wearing uniform and hence one could have assumed that he might have carried a gun, that fact alone could not in the circumstances have justified the shots fired at him. The Turkish soldiers had been in complete control of the area and Stelios’ behaviour had not posed a threat to them; consequently the soldiers would have been able to stop him without jeopardising his life.

How could TC soldiers be sure he was not in a mentally collapsed mood and wouldn't fire at TC soldiers? Though as i stated in my previous post, TC soldier was able to shoot him on the leg so that the life of GC soldier wouldn't have been jeopardised.

Why do you think they fired at the UN soldiers that could have saved his life?

[insan]

TC soldier should aim at the legs of GC soldier if he wanted to stop him. It is obvious that he aimed to kill GC soldier. This is the first mistake. The second mistake is shooting to not allow UN personal to help the GC soldier... and the 3rd mistake is not bringing the killer to a trial...

Idiot! How about not shooting someone who was not a threat? Read the verdict before posting such nonsense.

Hassikdir be göt! Retard!

Don't you dare come onto a public forum and argue that it is okay to shoot someone in the legs. Don't you care how people perceive you? Are you proud to be a barbarian? Show some respect, if not for yourself, then for the dead man's relatives.

Although Stelios had been wearing uniform and hence one could have assumed that he might have carried a gun, that fact alone could not in the circumstances have justified the shots fired at him. The Turkish soldiers had been in complete control of the area and Stelios’ behaviour had not posed a threat to them; consequently the soldiers would have been able to stop him without jeopardising his life.

How could TC soldiers be sure he was not in a mentally collapsed mood and wouldn't fire at TC soldiers? Though as i stated in my previous post, TC soldier was able to shoot him on the leg so that the life of GC soldier wouldn't have been jeopardised.

Why do you think they fired at the UN soldiers that could have saved his life?

I don't have any idea... I can't find a rational explanation for why they fired at UN soldiers. It seems the TC soldier(s) had a hostile mentality both against the GC soldier and UN soldiers. A totally trigger-happy action.

[Bananiot]

This is what happens, and no doubt it will happen again, when people are trained in all institutions, from very early in life, to hate! I am sorry to say that we have done our share of shooting too, right where it hurts. We took sick people from hospitals, executed them in cold blood and threw their bodied in wells. Their crime? They simply happened to be Turkish Cypriots. The son of one such person, Kutlai Erk, has not taken us to the ECHR, because he firmly believes that all these should be laid to rest and put our efforts into finding a solution that will terminate such practices. We also killed a stray Turkish soldier some years ago somewhere in the Potamia region and another one, a sentry if I remember correctly near Achna village.

[Get Real!]

This is what happens, and no doubt it will happen again, when people are trained in all institutions, from very early in life, to hate! I am sorry to say that we have done our share of shooting too, right where it hurts. We took sick people from hospitals, executed them in cold blood and threw their bodied in wells. Their crime? They simply happened to be Turkish Cypriots. The son of one such person, Kutlai Erk, has not taken us to the ECHR, because he firmly believes that all these should be laid to rest and put our efforts into finding a solution that will terminate such practices. We also killed a stray Turkish soldier some years ago somewhere in the Potamia region and another one, a sentry if I remember correctly near Achna village.

Bananiot, it’s pretty low trying to undermine an ECHR judgment thread in favor of 19 year old Stelios Panagi who incidentally was the 7th young victim at the Green Line, with miscellaneous irrelevant and unsupported stories one of which is an invading Turkish soldier!

Anyway, if you scroll to the end of this page on my website you can see what Stelios Panagi, and all the other victims looked like…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... morial.htm

May their ghosts pay you a visit tonight…

[B25]

This is what happens, and no doubt it will happen again, when people are trained in all institutions, from very early in life, to hate! I am sorry to say that we have done our share of shooting too, right where it hurts. We took sick people from hospitals, executed them in cold blood and threw their bodied in wells. Their crime? They simply happened to be Turkish Cypriots. The son of one such person, Kutlai Erk, has not taken us to the ECHR, because he firmly believes that all these should be laid to rest and put our efforts into finding a solution that will terminate such practices. We also killed a stray Turkish soldier some years ago somewhere in the Potamia region and another one, a sentry if I remember correctly near Achna village.

Well I didn't really expect much else from Bananiot, you belittle and rubbish the cold bloodied murder of a fellow GC over your F turkish mate.
One that even the ECHR have found to be unjust, yet you continue to uphold these actions.

Lambro na se kapsi . It is people like you that are causing us prolonged agony with this problem, just take a look at your self in the mirror, then trepese ta moutra sou? You make me sick.

May he rest in peace tzie theos makarisi ton. You are not worthy even to say his name.

[YFred]

NO excuse to shoot someone, even in the legs. The verdict of the ECHR is very clear on this. Just because they are soldiers does not mean that they can fire their weapons at will.

The clear aim of the Turkish soldiers was to shoot to kill, no questions asked. The thought of even stopping him by shooting him in the legs was not even considered. It was cold blooded murder.

The report said, they fired into the air several times as warning shots but he ignored them. Charles Darwin has a theory on this. It's called natural selection.

[bill cobbett]

NO excuse to shoot someone, even in the legs. The verdict of the ECHR is very clear on this. Just because they are soldiers does not mean that they can fire their weapons at will.

The clear aim of the Turkish soldiers was to shoot to kill, no questions asked. The thought of even stopping him by shooting him in the legs was not even considered. It was cold blooded murder.

The report said, they fired into the air several times as warning shots but he ignored them. Charles Darwin has a theory on this. It's called natural selection.

"warning shots". Read the report!

There is an unverified, dodgy claim of warning shots which comes from the Turkish Authorities who the report also condemns for the shortcomings in its investigation of this murder.

Again, read the report. It says the area was under the complete control of the TA. There was no threat from this poor boy. He could easily have been taken in to custody.

Again, read the judgement. The UN Peacekeepers were fired on to prevent them helping out this poor chap.

Freddie, a few hours ago I made this hopeful post ....

"There is a chance here for all to join together, to show their humanity, by condemning this poor boy's murder and his murderers without any qualifications. Sadly I fear some will not take this opportunity."

Now please cut the cxxp and do the decent thing mate.

[MR-from-NG]

This is what happens, and no doubt it will happen again, when people are trained in all institutions, from very early in life, to hate! I am sorry to say that we have done our share of shooting too, right where it hurts. We took sick people from hospitals, executed them in cold blood and threw their bodied in wells. Their crime? They simply happened to be Turkish Cypriots. The son of one such person, Kutlai Erk, has not taken us to the ECHR, because he firmly believes that all these should be laid to rest and put our efforts into finding a solution that will terminate such practices. We also killed a stray Turkish soldier some years ago somewhere in the Potamia region and another one, a sentry if I remember correctly near Achna village.

Bananiot,

You have my utmost respect. Cyprus would be a much better place if we were all (TCs & GCs) Bananiots. God bless you and your ideals.

[MR-from-NG]

The bastard that pulled the trigger and the one who gave the order to shoot should be brought to trial. Trigger happy arseholes

[repulsewarrior]

TC soldier should aim at the legs of GC soldier if he wanted to stop him. It is obvious that he aimed to kill GC soldier. This is the first mistake. The second mistake is shooting to not allow UN personal to help the GC soldier... and the 3rd mistake is not bringing the killer to a trial...

The guilty is the TC security forces commander that most probably does not have a rule or law regarding how soldiers should act in such situations. Though even a little common sense could urge TC soldier to shoot him from the legs...

Soldiers are trained to kill, not wound. I know this because of my military service years ago. Its trained to be a reflex: you use your weapon, kill the target. hindsight is always 20-20. Foresight generally never is.

...sorry Expat, i believe you are mistaken, 'wounding' an adversary offers many more 'favourable' dynamics outside active combat, killing is still a last resort, even to a soldier.

...insan has a valid point, the commander was not brought to be judged for his panic; there was even cause for the UN to have concern. in my mind that commander shows just how undisciplined Turkish troops and authority are, spoiling their credibility as people whose sense of Judgement can be trusted; it is the State which shames itself through its denial, not an ignorant person.