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[Piratis]

Regarding fair access, I mean outnumbering the solutionists 4 to 1 on any debate and the Chair who should not be biased laughing at a comment a solutionist makes ridiculing him or making people walk off a debate through unfair treatment.

On the contrary the ones who are more are the solutionists and only 1 in 4 is a partitionist. This is a fair distribution since the partitionists (those who voted for the Annan partition plan) only represent 1/4th of the population, while the remaining 76% wants a solution and not a dissolution.

Regarding the Alcohol problem in USA, are you suggesting that prohibition if applied now would be better?

Regarding Heroin, why not legalise it and control its strength. Criminalising it does not stop people from using it, encourages people to steal to be able to buy it. It is the main driver of criminal activity. In my opinion cigarettes, alcohol, cannabis and heroine are no different. Banning them simply drives them underground. It takes balls to actually do what is necessary and good for all the population.

What I am saying YFred is that legalizing something does not solve the problem. Legalizing alcohol does not solve the problem of alcohol abuse. Similarly, legalizing the illegalities in Cyprus will not solve the problems that those illegalities create.

And while legalizing alcohol consumption at least has the benefit of transferring the control of alcohol distribution from the criminals to the government, in the Cyprus Problem case we would not even get that with the kind of "solution" that you want. The control of north Cyprus will remain to the criminals, and the criminals will now even have a say to what happens to Cyprus as a whole.

So in the Cyprus problem case by legalizing the illegalities not only we do not gain any control, we actually lose control. Therefore the only benefit of legalizing alcohol distribution does not apply to the case of the Cyprus Problem.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis your hate for TCs and Turkey knows no bounds...your only aim is land and the monopoly to rule as you wish...you dont give a shit about our rights how do you expect us to place our future in your hands? The current division is 1000 time more preferred to uniting with your mindset.

I don't hate anybody because of his ethnicity, as you do. Those that I hate are only the racists like you.

You don't have any right to make half of Cyprus Turkish when in fact every part of it belongs by over 80% to GCs. Neither you have any right to discriminate against us and have your votes count more than ours.

It is you who wants to violate our rights. What I want from you is to stop demanding Ottoman style privilages on our expense. We are not living in the middle ages anymore when you could enslave, kill and oppress us as you felt like.

What you demand is a free hand to do as you wish well it aint gonna happen you have to share equally as we have just as much as you to demand a balance that will not allow to ever again to brush us to one side, you are more racist than I could ever be, the issue that should concern you is that you dont realize what everyone else can see very clearly. Your arrogance and stance will guarantee division for a long time to come, this is just as much your doing as it anyone elses time you realized this and understood that we will ensure that any new solution will have the safeguards and guarantees to make sure you will never be able to strip us of our community rights and turn TCs into just another minority in a Gc state run by GCs.

[YFred]

Regarding fair access, I mean outnumbering the solutionists 4 to 1 on any debate and the Chair who should not be biased laughing at a comment a solutionist makes ridiculing him or making people walk off a debate through unfair treatment.

On the contrary the ones who are more are the solutionists and only 1 in 4 is a partitionist. This is a fair distribution since the partitionists (those who voted for the Annan partition plan) only represent 1/4th of the population, while the remaining 76% wants a solution and not a dissolution.

Regarding the Alcohol problem in USA, are you suggesting that prohibition if applied now would be better?

Regarding Heroin, why not legalise it and control its strength. Criminalising it does not stop people from using it, encourages people to steal to be able to buy it. It is the main driver of criminal activity. In my opinion cigarettes, alcohol, cannabis and heroine are no different. Banning them simply drives them underground. It takes balls to actually do what is necessary and good for all the population.

What I am saying YFred is that legalizing something does not solve the problem. Legalizing alcohol does not solve the problem of alcohol abuse. Similarly, legalizing the illegalities in Cyprus will not solve the problems that those illegalities create.

And while legalizing alcohol consumption at least has the benefit of transferring the control of alcohol distribution from the criminals to the government, in the Cyprus Problem case we would not even get that with the kind of "solution" that you want. The control of north Cyprus will remain to the criminals, and the criminals will now even have a say to what happens to Cyprus as a whole.

So in the Cyprus problem case by legalizing the illegalities not only we do not gain any control, we actually lose control. Therefore the only benefit of legalizing alcohol distribution does not apply to the case of the Cyprus Problem.

The similarities between the two is the fact that the politicians do not have the guts to face the problem and solve it. Instead they pretend and fool most people into thinking that they are actually doing something when all along they are happy with the status quo. But I must congratulate you on your logic of describing 25% who voted for Annan plan as partitionists and those against as solutionist. You have devised new form of logic which I can only describe as illogic which in a way is logic but in its negative form.

As to the Alcohol abuse and illegalising the consumption of alcohol, it's been tried when the lunatic Christians were running USA and it failed and in fact it empowered the mafia to such an extent that it has not been defeated to this day.

What ever it is, hopeless people will find a way of abusing something. If it is not heroin, it will be glue or petrol. The only effect criminalising heroin has is making criminals richer and more powerful. If you are happy with that than its all fine and dandy.

As to us criminals in the north, it is only a matter of degree. Only slightly more criminal than you in the south as you have half a million donums of TC land via legalised illegality.

[cymart]

People like Piratis are idealists and obviously devoted to what they believe is right,I will concede that,but the problem is they can never tell us HOW what they say is the correct solution can ever be achieved.The military option has been ruled out,for obvious reasons and I don't think we need to go into that here so apart from collecting U.N. resolutions which are never enforced they don't have much else to propose.The trouble is that the situation here is not standing still and their refusal to see this is their biggest weakness:with every day that passes and with every new child born in the north to Turkish mainlanders,things are becoming worse for the cause of a reunited Cyprus for the Cypriots etc!
Even though Piratis seems to think otherwise,I am not so much against him as the attitude of the majority of people I see every day here in the south,where it is blatantly obvious that all people care about is acquiring money to buy almost everything imaginable,most of which they don't even need!I began to notice this even from 1975 when I came here briefly and saw how people who were not refugees were behaving as if life in Cyprus was quite normal,rather than a place with a massive army occupying the northern part which had wreaked havoc only the previous year!!Since then it has been downhill all the way,the place is flooded with luxury cars,grotesque villas,designer clothes and all kinds of low quality items of every description as well,the environment is ruined and people destroy their health by eating as if they are going to die tomorrow!
On the other hand,if there was none of this,people lived modestly and were openly mobilised towards the aim of solving the islands political problem as a matter of top priority,I would admire them,just as I do those who are engaged in struggles in other parts of the world.It would also probably have been resolved decades ago!But all I see here on the whole are a bunch of arrogant,corrupt, selfish and overfed hypocrits whose only aim in life seems to be furthering their own material interests and having what they think is a good time,rather than seeing where they are leading what is left of their country!Plenty of other countries on this planet of ours have been ethically and morally bankrupt for years and it s sad that Cyprus has joined that club!
Piratis is hopefully an exception and for that I admire him,even if I may not agree with some of the things he says!