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[Hermes]

For a moment I thought they were going to withdraw their occupying forces and settlers and restore Famagusta to its rightful owners. Instead Turkey is more preoccupied with the ports issue - which is an EU obligation and not being discussed in the current talks.

Can someone explain how this "solves the Cyprus problem"? Is Turkey getting worried or something? Is it December already?

Changes to take place in Cyprus

After attracting attention to itself with the consecutive initiatives launched by the government, Turkey is now preparing to take critical steps to solve the Cyprus problem. The statement that changes will take place in Cyprus came from an official from the Foreign Affairs Ministry who is closely acquainted with developments on the issue. Without providing any specific details, this credible source said the steps to be taken will undermine the status quo that has been blocking the way to peace.

During his most recent visit to the KKTC, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu hinted at changes that would take place in Cyprus and underlined that the status quo would not continue forever....

Erdogan has indicated that the Greek Cypriot side can no longer run away from a solution, the parameters of which have been determined. Could one of the parameters be the opening of ports? Comparing the opening of the ports to the Annan plan, Hasgüler said that just as saying “yes” to the Annan plan benefited Turkey, saying “yes” to the opening of ports will reinforce Turkey's upper hand in endeavors....”

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... yprus.html?

[-mikkie2-]

I suspect that Turkey may withdraw some forces from the island, perhaps a couple of thousand as a show of godwill. This would cost very little for Turkey and it would go down well with the EU. I just hope that Christifias has something up his sleeve to counter such a move.

[Hermes]

I suspect that Turkey may withdraw some forces from the island, perhaps a couple of thousand as a show of godwill. This would cost very little for Turkey and it would go down well with the EU. I just hope that Christifias has something up his sleeve to counter such a move.

Remember Turkey tried a "goodwill gesture" before. In exchange for opening one port to the ROC Turkey asked for the opening of Famagusta and Ercan airport. It didn't stop them getting eight EU negotiating chapters suspended. Whatever last-minute scheme Turkey comes up with this time, I don't think they're fooling anyone. Least of all the Greek Cypriots who don't have much time anymore for Turkey's pathetic games. Still, Turkey has to try something I suppose as the EU door is closing fast.

[-mikkie2-]

"Least of all the Greek Cypriots who don't have much time anymore for Turkey's pathetic games. Still, Turkey has to try something I suppose as the EU door is closing fast."

You talk as though Cyprus is some kind of superpower!

If the EU door closes on Turkey then we can kiss goodbye to a Cyprus solution and Cyprus will not have a say at all in how Turkey develops. Oh, and we lose any veto over Turkey as Turkey will no longer be a candidate for EU entry. Consequently, Turkey will have no need to remove troops, or remove settlers of stop sellling off and developing GC land etc etc. Thats a really good legacy to leave our children and grandchildren.

You see, you need to think of the veto as a nuclear 'warhead'. Let it loose and you will get devastation. However, having the threat of using the 'warhead' may give us a chance to negotiate and persuade. A lose-lose scenario is in nobodys interest.

[B25]

"Least of all the Greek Cypriots who don't have much time anymore for Turkey's pathetic games. Still, Turkey has to try something I suppose as the EU door is closing fast."

You talk as though Cyprus is some kind of superpower!

If the EU door closes on Turkey then we can kiss goodbye to a Cyprus solution and Cyprus will not have a say at all in how Turkey develops. Oh, and we lose any veto over Turkey as Turkey will no longer be a candidate for EU entry. Consequently, Turkey will have no need to remove troops, or remove settlers of stop sellling off and developing GC land etc etc. Thats a really good legacy to leave our children and grandchildren.

You see, you need to think of the veto as a nuclear 'warhead'. Let it loose and you will get devastation. However, having the threat of using the 'warhead' may give us a chance to negotiate and persuade. A lose-lose scenario is in nobodys interest.

You need to explain the difference between the EU door closing and the use of the veto mate. They give the same result so in effect whichever route we take leads us to the same place. What we need to make them realise is that they have more to lose than us, as this is what will motivate them.

Turkey cannot afford not to be IN the EU, if she could, she would have walked long ago and this is our trump card.

She can belly whale all she likes but we will hold her to ransom. I'd rather leave my grand kids 67% of Guarantee Cyprus than risk be over run by the Turks and if we are not careful here, there are some that would gladly give us over.

There will not be ANY solution to Cyprus problem for the simple reason that Turkey will NOT give back what she took, she will not waiver the Guarantor rights and she will not remove her troops or settlers. Thats the bottom line. She keeps blackmailing us to accept these things but the GCs are not that stupid, well most of the sane, self respecting ones anyway. And apart from the few traitors we have here and elsewhere.

So, your arguement does not hold water in my book.

[Hermes]

"Least of all the Greek Cypriots who don't have much time anymore for Turkey's pathetic games. Still, Turkey has to try something I suppose as the EU door is closing fast."

You talk as though Cyprus is some kind of superpower!

If the EU door closes on Turkey then we can kiss goodbye to a Cyprus solution and Cyprus will not have a say at all in how Turkey develops. Oh, and we lose any veto over Turkey as Turkey will no longer be a candidate for EU entry. Consequently, Turkey will have no need to remove troops, or remove settlers of stop sellling off and developing GC land etc etc. Thats a really good legacy to leave our children and grandchildren.

You see, you need to think of the veto as a nuclear 'warhead'. Let it loose and you will get devastation. However, having the threat of using the 'warhead' may give us a chance to negotiate and persuade. A lose-lose scenario is in nobodys interest.

I'm not advocating using a veto - for all the reasons you mentioned. It's sufficient that several chapters are currently closed and no more will open. Only that Turkey seems to think that by opening a port to the ROC it will pressure the G/Cs somehow at the negotiating table. I'm just not sure how they think this will work. How does opening a port - which is an EU obligation - lead to Christofias caving in to Turkey's demands at the negotiating table? As long as there is no solution then there can be no EU entry for Turkey. No matter how many cynical, half-baked gestures Turkey comes up with, this fact remains.

[Bananiot]

Mikkie, you cannot talk sense to arteriosclerotics. Interesting to watch "to sizitame" tonight at RIK.

[Hermes]

Mikkie, you cannot talk sense to arteriosclerotics. Interesting to watch "to sizitame" tonight at RIK.

What a pointless comment. I wasn't advocating a veto. Mikkie jumped to the wrong conclusion then you jump in to support his mistaken assumption. Instead of just simply sitting around waiting for your prejudices to be confirmed, try contributing something positive instead.

[Lit]

Mikkie, you cannot talk sense to arteriosclerotics. Interesting to watch "to sizitame" tonight at RIK.

What a pointless comment. I wasn't advocating a veto. Mikkie jumped to the wrong conclusion then you jump in to support his mistaken assumption. Instead of just simply sitting around waiting for your prejudices to be confirmed, try contributing something positive instead.

Ouch. Bana b_tch slapped yet again.

How lovely.

[Lit]

Mikkie, you cannot talk sense to arteriosclerotics. Interesting to watch "to sizitame" tonight at RIK.

My dearest Bana, how is the sock puppet routine going? Inquiring minds would like to know...