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Postby insan » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:31 pm

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Tony-4497 wrote:You can have your veto back at ANY time, but with it you have to have back ALL of the 1960 agreements...

I don't think so...

The Turkish Cypriots were the first to violate the 1959 agreements and also declare them null & void! Subsequently, Greece, Turkey, and Britain violated them too in that order. There is no going back.


Oh dear! Yeah, ur beloved GC administration didn't violate the 60s agreements, eh? Their actions were 100% justified because except ur beloveds every other concerned parties violated the 60s agreements. :lol: GR u r free to be a Cypriot nationalist but plz stop defending then the fascist minded GC bastards!(Makarios, TPapa, Klerides, Yorgacis, Lissarides and Omirou) :twisted:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:37 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:You can have your veto back at ANY time, but with it you have to have back ALL of the 1960 agreements...

I don't think so...

The Turkish Cypriots were the first to violate the 1959 agreements and also declare them null & void! Subsequently, Greece, Turkey, and Britain violated them too in that order. There is no going back.


Oh dear! Yeah, ur beloved GC administration didn't violate the 60s agreements, eh? Their actions were 100% justified because except ur beloveds every other concerned parties violated the 60s agreements. :lol: GR u r free to be a Cypriot nationalist but plz stop defending then the fascist minded GC bastards!(Makarios, TPapa, Klerides, Yorgacis, Lissarides and Omirou) :twisted:

Makarios, TPapa, and Omirou, don't belong in your list of treasonous Greek nationalist dogs.
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:41 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:You can have your veto back at ANY time, but with it you have to have back ALL of the 1960 agreements...

I don't think so...

The Turkish Cypriots were the first to violate the 1959 agreements and also declare them null & void! Subsequently, Greece, Turkey, and Britain violated them too in that order. There is no going back.


Oh dear! Yeah, ur beloved GC administration didn't violate the 60s agreements, eh? Their actions were 100% justified because except ur beloveds every other concerned parties violated the 60s agreements. :lol: GR u r free to be a Cypriot nationalist but plz stop defending then the fascist minded GC bastards!(Makarios, TPapa, Klerides, Yorgacis, Lissarides and Omirou) :twisted:

Makarios, TPapa, and Omirou, don't belong in your list of treasonous Greek nationalist dogs.


U may exert to deny it but it is a fact that all of them openly and frequently talked abt the interests of Hellenism in Cyprus. Not only they talked abt it, they also applied Hellenistic policies in Cyprus. Otherwise how u can explain why TPapa called u Greeks of Cyprus? The day he died everyone in Greek parliament agreed that Hellenism lost one of it's most significant man in Cyprus. How do u explain these? All of ur leaders except Chris r Greek nationalists, Hellenists.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:33 pm

Bananiot wrote:Is the EU a military alliance? Are you really serious or do you just listen to nice slogans of the ex president's supporters. Do you also think that the EU will come to the aid of Greece if Turkey declares war? Do you also believe that we are the innocent ones and Turkey the villain? Its a pity others (those that matter) at least apportion blame more evently.

Tony, time works against us. In another few years there will be no Cyprus problem to solve. This is our last chance for a fair settlement as Turkey is pushing hard for EU accession. The best we can hope for is compromise and I think that asking for maximum gains is tantamoun to treason (just to use a term cretins easy use in this forum) because we have the benefit of hindsight. Every time we went for the desirable we ended crying over ruins. The European Union is not the vehicle to achieve our maximum aims. In fact, our partners have adviced us many times, in a friendly way, against this.

The above is also an answer to the simplistic question of Piratis. What is worth fighting for, he pompously asks? Of course he spares no effort to tell what a moral fighter he is, probably from the comfort of his arm chair. My "fight" is a humble one, to see Cyprus united again and its people happy and prosperous. This can happen if we manage to get rid of our nationalism, our phobias and our conservatism. I have held these view for all my adult life and if we could, prior to 1974, show a little bit of magnanimity to the Turkish Cypriots, we would have never arrived at this sorry state. Playing the patriotic hand today may sound okay, but it can only mean more pain for us and all peace-loving Cypriots.


What you support does not unite Cyprus, on the contrary it officially divides it. And it will not bring any prosperity or happiness to us, just to the Turks, who will then be able to freely exploit what they stole from us without the consequences they face today, while at the same time be able to undemocratically control the whole of Cyprus.

Our struggle is not a military one, but it is one that hurts the friends of Bananiot. This is why Bananiot wants to close the Cyprus problem in way that will suit his friends.

A peace deal can be agreed only after the Turks accept to allow freedom, democracy and human rights to Cyprus. There are things that worth fighting for and this is what we will continue doing.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:52 pm

halil wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας


Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!


Thank u very much Bananiot .....No one is our enemy Bananiot as long as we can live in this small island we must have respect for each others rights. Because of people like B25 and others We the Turkish Cypriots are asking and demanding effective gurantees of Turkey in Cyprus . That they will not dare to spoil our new partnership again .

We want peace and stability in this island for our children future . We want to grow up our children in this island that they can learn to live together and have a respect to each other culture and work together future of new Federal Cyprus .


Halil, war exists in Cyprus because your minority didn't show any kind of respect to the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people.

On the contrary you collaborated and you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists, demanding to have vast gains on our expense. The fact that you want your 18% minority to be given the 50% power and the fact that you want to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots in order to have some "Turkish State" on land that belongs by over 80% to us, is a clear proof for the kind of disrespect that you show.

And cut the excuses about "people like B25", because it is you who started to demand all those gains on our expense from the 1950s and it is you who collaborated with the Imperialists and attacked us in order to have all these gains on the expense of our rights. What came FIRST was your total disrespect towards the vast majority of the population of this island. The conflict was a direct result of your actions, and you deserve every last drop of the hate that decent people feel against you.

You show no sign of respect to our human and democratic rights, and the "peace" you want is one where we are supposed to grant to you what you took from us by force. I really don't know how any self-respecting Cypriot can consider a person like you as his friend. You are an enemy of Cyprus and an enemy of every self-respecting Cypriot.
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Postby halil » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:19 pm

Piratis wrote:
halil wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας


Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!


Thank u very much Bananiot .....No one is our enemy Bananiot as long as we can live in this small island we must have respect for each others rights. Because of people like B25 and others We the Turkish Cypriots are asking and demanding effective gurantees of Turkey in Cyprus . That they will not dare to spoil our new partnership again .

We want peace and stability in this island for our children future . We want to grow up our children in this island that they can learn to live together and have a respect to each other culture and work together future of new Federal Cyprus .


Halil, war exists in Cyprus because your minority didn't show any kind of respect to the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people.

On the contrary you collaborated and you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists, demanding to have vast gains on our expense. The fact that you want your 18% minority to be given the 50% power and the fact that you want to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots in order to have some "Turkish State" on land that belongs by over 80% to us, is a clear proof for the kind of disrespect that you show.

And cut the excuses about "people like B25", because it is you who started to demand all those gains on our expense from the 1950s and it is you who collaborated with the Imperialists and attacked us in order to have all these gains on the expense of our rights. What came FIRST was your total disrespect towards the vast majority of the population of this island. The conflict was a direct result of your actions, and you deserve every last drop of the hate that decent people feel against you.

You show no sign of respect to our human and democratic rights, and the "peace" you want is one where we are supposed to grant to you what you took from us by force. I really don't know how any self-respecting Cypriot can consider a person like you as his friend. You are an enemy of Cyprus and an enemy of every self-respecting Cypriot.



Insan answer to GR applies u as well .

Oh dear! Yeah, ur beloved GC administration didn't violate the 60s agreements, eh? Their actions were 100% justified because except ur beloveds every other concerned parties violated the 60s agreements.
u r free to be a Greek nationalist but plz stop defending then the fascist minded GC bastards!(Makarios, TPapa, Klerides, Yorgacis, Lissarides and Omirou).

We will not give u another chance to play with our lives again .

as long as u have this kelle there will be no peace in this bloody island .....

take off your leader from talks and do not talk for peace . Just stay away where u are ............ till u die ........ hopefully people with understandables will come to this island and they can find workable solution for both communities. with equally politicaly partners ....not the way u saying minority and majority arguments .... and try to dominate other partner.
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:06 pm

halil wrote:
Piratis wrote:
halil wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας


Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!


Thank u very much Bananiot .....No one is our enemy Bananiot as long as we can live in this small island we must have respect for each others rights. Because of people like B25 and others We the Turkish Cypriots are asking and demanding effective gurantees of Turkey in Cyprus . That they will not dare to spoil our new partnership again .

We want peace and stability in this island for our children future . We want to grow up our children in this island that they can learn to live together and have a respect to each other culture and work together future of new Federal Cyprus .


Halil, war exists in Cyprus because your minority didn't show any kind of respect to the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people.

On the contrary you collaborated and you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists, demanding to have vast gains on our expense. The fact that you want your 18% minority to be given the 50% power and the fact that you want to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots in order to have some "Turkish State" on land that belongs by over 80% to us, is a clear proof for the kind of disrespect that you show.

And cut the excuses about "people like B25", because it is you who started to demand all those gains on our expense from the 1950s and it is you who collaborated with the Imperialists and attacked us in order to have all these gains on the expense of our rights. What came FIRST was your total disrespect towards the vast majority of the population of this island. The conflict was a direct result of your actions, and you deserve every last drop of the hate that decent people feel against you.

You show no sign of respect to our human and democratic rights, and the "peace" you want is one where we are supposed to grant to you what you took from us by force. I really don't know how any self-respecting Cypriot can consider a person like you as his friend. You are an enemy of Cyprus and an enemy of every self-respecting Cypriot.



Insan answer to GR applies u as well .

Oh dear! Yeah, ur beloved GC administration didn't violate the 60s agreements, eh? Their actions were 100% justified because except ur beloveds every other concerned parties violated the 60s agreements.
u r free to be a Greek nationalist but plz stop defending then the fascist minded GC bastards!(Makarios, TPapa, Klerides, Yorgacis, Lissarides and Omirou).

We will not give u another chance to play with our lives again .

as long as u have this kelle there will be no peace in this bloody island .....

take off your leader from talks and do not talk for peace . Just stay away where u are ............ till u die ........ hopefully people with understandables will come to this island and they can find workable solution for both communities. with equally politicaly partners ....not the way u saying minority and majority arguments .... and try to dominate other partner.

No see what you've done Halil, you will now get the customary you tube video that say you started it all.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:42 pm

halil wrote:
Piratis wrote:
halil wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας


Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!


Thank u very much Bananiot .....No one is our enemy Bananiot as long as we can live in this small island we must have respect for each others rights. Because of people like B25 and others We the Turkish Cypriots are asking and demanding effective gurantees of Turkey in Cyprus . That they will not dare to spoil our new partnership again .

We want peace and stability in this island for our children future . We want to grow up our children in this island that they can learn to live together and have a respect to each other culture and work together future of new Federal Cyprus .


Halil, war exists in Cyprus because your minority didn't show any kind of respect to the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people.

On the contrary you collaborated and you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists, demanding to have vast gains on our expense. The fact that you want your 18% minority to be given the 50% power and the fact that you want to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots in order to have some "Turkish State" on land that belongs by over 80% to us, is a clear proof for the kind of disrespect that you show.

And cut the excuses about "people like B25", because it is you who started to demand all those gains on our expense from the 1950s and it is you who collaborated with the Imperialists and attacked us in order to have all these gains on the expense of our rights. What came FIRST was your total disrespect towards the vast majority of the population of this island. The conflict was a direct result of your actions, and you deserve every last drop of the hate that decent people feel against you.

You show no sign of respect to our human and democratic rights, and the "peace" you want is one where we are supposed to grant to you what you took from us by force. I really don't know how any self-respecting Cypriot can consider a person like you as his friend. You are an enemy of Cyprus and an enemy of every self-respecting Cypriot.



Insan answer to GR applies u as well .

Oh dear! Yeah, ur beloved GC administration didn't violate the 60s agreements, eh? Their actions were 100% justified because except ur beloveds every other concerned parties violated the 60s agreements.
u r free to be a Greek nationalist but plz stop defending then the fascist minded GC bastards!(Makarios, TPapa, Klerides, Yorgacis, Lissarides and Omirou).

We will not give u another chance to play with our lives again .

as long as u have this kelle there will be no peace in this bloody island .....

take off your leader from talks and do not talk for peace . Just stay away where u are ............ till u die ........ hopefully people with understandables will come to this island and they can find workable solution for both communities. with equally politicaly partners ....not the way u saying minority and majority arguments .... and try to dominate other partner.


What 1960 are you talking about mate? Your total disrespect towards the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people started from the 1950s when you started to threaten us with annihilation from half of our island, you collaborated with foreign Imperialists, you attacked us starting the intercommunal conflict, and later you along with those imperialists imposed the 1960 "agreements" on the Cypriot people.

You are a minority on this island, and that is a fact. If you want to be "partners" in Cyprus then first make the Greek minority in Turkey partners as well.

You are the ones who came to our island in order to dominate and exploit us. What we do is fight for our freedom from those who came to our island to enslave us, and we will continue to do so until Cyprus is free, democratic, and the human rights of all Cypriots are respected.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:46 pm

Piratis wrote:
halil wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας


Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!


Thank u very much Bananiot .....No one is our enemy Bananiot as long as we can live in this small island we must have respect for each others rights. Because of people like B25 and others We the Turkish Cypriots are asking and demanding effective gurantees of Turkey in Cyprus . That they will not dare to spoil our new partnership again .

We want peace and stability in this island for our children future . We want to grow up our children in this island that they can learn to live together and have a respect to each other culture and work together future of new Federal Cyprus .


Halil, war exists in Cyprus because your minority didn't show any kind of respect to the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people.

On the contrary you collaborated and you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists, demanding to have vast gains on our expense. The fact that you want your 18% minority to be given the 50% power and the fact that you want to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots in order to have some "Turkish State" on land that belongs by over 80% to us, is a clear proof for the kind of disrespect that you show.

And cut the excuses about "people like B25", because it is you who started to demand all those gains on our expense from the 1950s and it is you who collaborated with the Imperialists and attacked us in order to have all these gains on the expense of our rights. What came FIRST was your total disrespect towards the vast majority of the population of this island. The conflict was a direct result of your actions, and you deserve every last drop of the hate that decent people feel against you.

You show no sign of respect to our human and democratic rights, and the "peace" you want is one where we are supposed to grant to you what you took from us by force. I really don't know how any self-respecting Cypriot can consider a person like you as his friend. You are an enemy of Cyprus and an enemy of every self-respecting Cypriot.


...it was Christofias who apologised for the Republic's failure in protecting all its citizens. ...it was Christophias who tells Greek Cypriots to end their denial.

...what of Talat his comtemporary; where is his Grace as a Cypriot?
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Postby YFred » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:15 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
Piratis wrote:
halil wrote:
Bananiot wrote:I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας


Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!


Thank u very much Bananiot .....No one is our enemy Bananiot as long as we can live in this small island we must have respect for each others rights. Because of people like B25 and others We the Turkish Cypriots are asking and demanding effective gurantees of Turkey in Cyprus . That they will not dare to spoil our new partnership again .

We want peace and stability in this island for our children future . We want to grow up our children in this island that they can learn to live together and have a respect to each other culture and work together future of new Federal Cyprus .


Halil, war exists in Cyprus because your minority didn't show any kind of respect to the democratic and human rights of the Cypriot people.

On the contrary you collaborated and you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists, demanding to have vast gains on our expense. The fact that you want your 18% minority to be given the 50% power and the fact that you want to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots in order to have some "Turkish State" on land that belongs by over 80% to us, is a clear proof for the kind of disrespect that you show.

And cut the excuses about "people like B25", because it is you who started to demand all those gains on our expense from the 1950s and it is you who collaborated with the Imperialists and attacked us in order to have all these gains on the expense of our rights. What came FIRST was your total disrespect towards the vast majority of the population of this island. The conflict was a direct result of your actions, and you deserve every last drop of the hate that decent people feel against you.

You show no sign of respect to our human and democratic rights, and the "peace" you want is one where we are supposed to grant to you what you took from us by force. I really don't know how any self-respecting Cypriot can consider a person like you as his friend. You are an enemy of Cyprus and an enemy of every self-respecting Cypriot.


...it was Christofias who apologised for the Republic's failure in protecting all its citizens. ...it was Christophias who tells Greek Cypriots to end their denial.

...what of Talat his comtemporary; where is his Grace as a Cypriot?

RW just occasionally come dowm to our planet so we can all understand what you are trying to say.
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