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[B25]

Of course not, by any standards. Tsielepis had to face four bigots and the presenter all by himself.

Bananiot, I don't see your problem, you wine and dine with the enemy quite freely now, so whats your beef? Just because the people with some self respect left do not choose to do the same you class them as rejectionists and bigots.

As piratis has quite rightly put it, we will not accept to be slaves just to suit a handful of traitors. If you wish to be with these people why don't you just go over there and let the TRNC authorities pay your wages.

You have a cheek to take a salary from the hard working decent GC taxpayer and then label them as you do.
Perhaps some of the parents who have lost everything should be aware of the treacherous individual left alone with their kids! How would they feel about it???

I also wonder if your bosses and indeed the Ministry of Education knew of your writings and your colusions with the otherside, hopefully they will show you the door.

And then as they say in Greek; Tha trois pou ton kolon to shillou.

I cannot think of harsh enough words that I would like to say to you, i would just finish it with I hate you, and wish always the worst for you. You should be ashamed.

[zan]

I think it is dangerous to dismiss these people as fools Fred....More like a calculated PR attempt for the Ultra nationalists. "We" had a similar attempt with the GC lawyer who represents the Orams, but instead of putting four bright lawyers in front of him we put Bayramoglu. What a disaster

I'm always amused at people who have no knowledge of the image they portray to others. Good example here with Zan commenting on those "Ultra Nationalists".

We can't all have your moderate liberal concessionist views Zan.

Yo are proving to be quite an idiot with an agenda Gregory........~That comment goes right back at you with those remarks......You are too eager to dismiss me mate and you are making big errors of judgement......Take it easy and read what I wrote because people on this Forum are too long in the tooth to listen to defamation of character in such an obvious way.

I gave you an example of a one sided debate coming from our Ultra nationalists that you chose to ignore. Would an ultra nationalist do that? The only comment I gave that would give you cause for concern was who was put in front of the GC lawyer........At least they could have made him earn his money.

Now if you were even the littlest bit concerned about who or what I am then you could read my posts from long ago and then you will see that I am only advocating what I think is the only way out of this shit.......The same as you with your hair brained ideas.......With two hair brained ideas then we might even get a full head of hair.....Now be a good boy and read what Piratis has written and then see where the line is drawn....IF you think that anyone opposing you and happens to be Turkish is Ultra nationalistic then I have nothing to offer you in explanation....They are your ghosts and you will have to live with them....

[Get Real!]

GR and the rest of the military loonies read the paragraph on the military inbalance.

Here's hoping that the Turkish military have also read and agree with Loucas Charalambous' evaluation.

[Bananiot]

I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας

Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!

[Bananiot]

Day of togetherness in old Nicosia
By Zoe Christodoulides

FRIENDSHIP and understanding between communities will be a dominant catchphrase in Nicosia next Sunday as two interlinking events bring the need for unity to the fore.

The day will start off with hundreds of kids, parents and teachers descending on the historic centre of the capital on both sides of the Green Line as part of an educational bi-communal event.

Organised by the United Cyprus Platform and the Cyprus Association for Historical Dialogue and Research among other local groups, the occasion is publicised as one that will bring revived hope for peace on the island.

All about uniting youth and educationalists from both communities, they will spend the morning exploring Nicosia and many of its historical buildings. As ideas are shared and friendships are formed, organisers hope to cultivate a spirit for change.

The walk will then end with plenty of food and chatter at the Rainbow Festival organised by KISA (Action for Equality, Support and Anti-Racism).

Marking the 11th event of its kind, the multicultural festival in the park by Eleftheria Square has become well known for bringing all nationalities and cultures together in one all-embracing affair.

“There are definitely more crowds coming to the event now than before. Last year we had lots of people from diplomatic bodies, offshore companies and various cultural centres,” says KISA head, Doros Polycarpou. “But what we haven’t seen is any increase in Greek Cypriots coming to the event: that’s still a big barrier that we haven’t managed to break.”

Filled with plenty of vibrant entertainment including music and dance, crowds can watch shows, enjoy a nibble from various international cuisines, and pick up all sorts of information on activities and organisations related to migrants, asylum seekers, refugees and foreign students.

Nicosia Mayor Eleni Mavrou will also be speaking at the occasion which has now become officially recognised by the Ministry of Education and Culture. “This year Cyta Vodafone also asked to support the event which shows some good recognition on a wider level,” explains Polycarpou.

The same festival will also come to life in Limassol the following weekend on Sunday November 8, with all activities centred opposite the Catholic Church in Molos. On both occasions, festivities will begin at 11am and will end at 5pm. Entrance to the festival is free and organisers are happy to see as many people as possible to take part in celebrations.

All those wishing to take part in next Sunday’s walk can contact [email protected] or call 99-372147

[Bananiot]

YFred, this is what Patroklos had to say about the debate:

Lessons in how not to behave

THERE IS nothing more nauseating than listening to a bunch of self-important lawyers advertising their moral, professional and intellectual superiority.

Antenna’s lunchtime show on Tuesday featured four insufferably arrogant lawyers, competing over who would inflict the greatest humiliation on the fifth studio guest. It deserves to be released on DVD as a classic of the genre.

It could be a very useful tool for parents who do not want their kids to become lawyers when they grow up. It remains unclear who can be given directorial credit, because the suspected director, Antenna’s autocratic ruler Loukis P, has distanced himself from the show. The pretty-boy presenter claims he had invited the pack of wolves and said the lamb he had chosen for them to savage on air was happy to appear.

In the role of lamb was the mild-mannered, shy and softly-spoken Toumazos Tselepis, the president’s negotiations adviser, who was declared unqualified for the job 10 days ago by another lawyer with a big ego, Ethnarch junior.

Inevitably, once the lawyers realised they were getting nowhere by shouting at the unpatriotic Tselepis, they raised the issue of his ‘poor qualifications’ which they claim is the reason comrade Tof is making big concessions to the Turks at the talks. This led Tselepis to walk out of the studio, prompting another round of moralising by the insufferable lawyers and the presenter.

TSELEPIS’ PhD in Public and International Law is not a satisfactory qualification for the lawyers on the panel. As the grumpy old lawyer Loucis Loucaides, a former judge at the ECHR who finds difficulty stringing together a coherent sentence, asked: “Are you a lawyer?” Tselepis said “no” and Loucaides, with spittle coming out of his mouth, smugly responded, “And you will not become one”.

Why would he want to anyway? Why would anyone want to become a lawyer and end up a cantankerous, mean-spirited, patronising bully like Loucaides? It is not as if you need great intelligence or special qualities to join the profession – the Antenna studio panel made this obvious.

The claim that you have to be a practising lawyer to be able to participate in the Cyprob talks was another stupidity expounded by one of our learned friends.

Treating the Cyprob as a legal matter for lawyers to resolve is why there will never be a settlement. As one Cyprus-based diplomat astutely remarked many years ago, “How can you solve the Cyprus problem when there are 40,000 troops in the north and 30,000 lawyers in the south?”

The attorneys on the studio panel were all anti-solution, which may explain why they want lawyers handling the talks.

ONE OF THE studio guests was an upstart lawyer called Giorgos Christodoulou, whom nobody had ever heard of or seen before. Even though he is neither a constitutional expert nor Cyprob specialist – or even particularly smart – he is a practising lawyer and therefore qualified to express an opinion about rotating presidency.

Only later did it surface that he was on the show because he was an employee at Loukis P’s law office, presumably representing his master’s voice – or maybe not.

What is certain is that he was trying to impress his boss by angrily waving his finger at Tselepis and repeating the same idiotic thing over and over again: “Rotational presidency is a Turkish proposal.” Though a practising lawyer and therefore a superior professional, he did not know that Turks are also allowed to make proposals in the Cyprob negotiations.

STAR of the show was the smooth-talking, self-regarding legal eagle Christos Clerides, who made his name as an anti-A plan campaigner and subsequently reaped big financial benefits by filing recourses to the ECHR for naive refugees, who thought this would be a better way of getting their properties back than voting for the plan.

Clerides behaved like an ultra-competitive and insecure school-kid who will resort to the basest of methods to belittle his classmates in order to satisfy his feelings of superiority.

Tselepis was finding it difficult to keep up with the discussion because he was not a lawyer, Clerides announced. He then patronisingly questioned the value of Tselepis’ PhD. “Where and how you received your PhD is another matter,” the superior he said, adding that he had checked the internet to investigate Tselepis’ qualifications.

Finally, he resorted to his superior intelligence to expose the fact that Tselepis was not a lawyer. “You have proved that you are not a lawyer because you constantly interrupt the other person... if you were a proper legal expert, you would know the first rule is that everyone must complete their argument, you take your notes and then respond.”

What a load of supercilious nonsense – this was a studio row, not the Nuremberg trials. His pompous assertion that interrupting someone was proof that you were not a legal professional inadvertently offered proof that the perfect Clerides is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.

WALKING out the studio was an over-reaction by Tselepis, which proved that he was not a practising lawyer. As the perfect one could tell him – if he were a proper legal expert, he would know that the second rule is that you sit and take the abuse until superior professionals decided they have humiliated you enough.

[zan]

“How can you solve the Cyprus problem when there are 40,000 troops in the north and 30,000 lawyers in the south?”

That made me spit out my tea..

[B25]

I remind everyone of this year's educational target as set by the Ministry of education and culture.

Καλλιέργεια κουλτούρας ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, αμοιβαίου σεβασμού και συνεργασίας Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων με στόχο την απαλλαγή από την κατοχή και την επανένωση της πατρίδας και του λαού μας

Translation:

Cultivation of culture of peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and cooperation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in order to get rid of occupation and reunite our country and our people.

And, Halil and my other dear Turkish Cypriot friends are not my enemy. My enemy has always been people like you B25. Do not forget this!

Don't you worry, I won't.

[Bananiot]

Is that all you have to say, idiot? Do you also think that the Ministry of Education is treacherous?

[YFred]

YFred, this is what Patroklos had to say about the debate:

Lessons in how not to behave

THERE IS nothing more nauseating than listening to a bunch of self-important lawyers advertising their moral, professional and intellectual superiority.

Antenna’s lunchtime show on Tuesday featured four insufferably arrogant lawyers, competing over who would inflict the greatest humiliation on the fifth studio guest. It deserves to be released on DVD as a classic of the genre.

It could be a very useful tool for parents who do not want their kids to become lawyers when they grow up. It remains unclear who can be given directorial credit, because the suspected director, Antenna’s autocratic ruler Loukis P, has distanced himself from the show. The pretty-boy presenter claims he had invited the pack of wolves and said the lamb he had chosen for them to savage on air was happy to appear.

In the role of lamb was the mild-mannered, shy and softly-spoken Toumazos Tselepis, the president’s negotiations adviser, who was declared unqualified for the job 10 days ago by another lawyer with a big ego, Ethnarch junior.

Inevitably, once the lawyers realised they were getting nowhere by shouting at the unpatriotic Tselepis, they raised the issue of his ‘poor qualifications’ which they claim is the reason comrade Tof is making big concessions to the Turks at the talks. This led Tselepis to walk out of the studio, prompting another round of moralising by the insufferable lawyers and the presenter.

TSELEPIS’ PhD in Public and International Law is not a satisfactory qualification for the lawyers on the panel. As the grumpy old lawyer Loucis Loucaides, a former judge at the ECHR who finds difficulty stringing together a coherent sentence, asked: “Are you a lawyer?” Tselepis said “no” and Loucaides, with spittle coming out of his mouth, smugly responded, “And you will not become one”.

Why would he want to anyway? Why would anyone want to become a lawyer and end up a cantankerous, mean-spirited, patronising bully like Loucaides? It is not as if you need great intelligence or special qualities to join the profession – the Antenna studio panel made this obvious.

The claim that you have to be a practising lawyer to be able to participate in the Cyprob talks was another stupidity expounded by one of our learned friends.

Treating the Cyprob as a legal matter for lawyers to resolve is why there will never be a settlement. As one Cyprus-based diplomat astutely remarked many years ago, “How can you solve the Cyprus problem when there are 40,000 troops in the north and 30,000 lawyers in the south?”

The attorneys on the studio panel were all anti-solution, which may explain why they want lawyers handling the talks.

ONE OF THE studio guests was an upstart lawyer called Giorgos Christodoulou, whom nobody had ever heard of or seen before. Even though he is neither a constitutional expert nor Cyprob specialist – or even particularly smart – he is a practising lawyer and therefore qualified to express an opinion about rotating presidency.

Only later did it surface that he was on the show because he was an employee at Loukis P’s law office, presumably representing his master’s voice – or maybe not.

What is certain is that he was trying to impress his boss by angrily waving his finger at Tselepis and repeating the same idiotic thing over and over again: “Rotational presidency is a Turkish proposal.” Though a practising lawyer and therefore a superior professional, he did not know that Turks are also allowed to make proposals in the Cyprob negotiations.

STAR of the show was the smooth-talking, self-regarding legal eagle Christos Clerides, who made his name as an anti-A plan campaigner and subsequently reaped big financial benefits by filing recourses to the ECHR for naive refugees, who thought this would be a better way of getting their properties back than voting for the plan.

Clerides behaved like an ultra-competitive and insecure school-kid who will resort to the basest of methods to belittle his classmates in order to satisfy his feelings of superiority.

Tselepis was finding it difficult to keep up with the discussion because he was not a lawyer, Clerides announced. He then patronisingly questioned the value of Tselepis’ PhD. “Where and how you received your PhD is another matter,” the superior he said, adding that he had checked the internet to investigate Tselepis’ qualifications.

Finally, he resorted to his superior intelligence to expose the fact that Tselepis was not a lawyer. “You have proved that you are not a lawyer because you constantly interrupt the other person... if you were a proper legal expert, you would know the first rule is that everyone must complete their argument, you take your notes and then respond.”

What a load of supercilious nonsense – this was a studio row, not the Nuremberg trials. His pompous assertion that interrupting someone was proof that you were not a legal professional inadvertently offered proof that the perfect Clerides is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.

WALKING out the studio was an over-reaction by Tselepis, which proved that he was not a practising lawyer. As the perfect one could tell him – if he were a proper legal expert, he would know that the second rule is that you sit and take the abuse until superior professionals decided they have humiliated you enough.

Thanks for that. It seems to me we have some way to go before we can have a debate on TV where the chair is fair and impartial and the views on the panel are balanced. But I guess that would be too much to expect for now.
We live in hope that we will see such events before we depart from this godforsaken planet.