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What's Your Comment On These Claims?

Postby orhun » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:18 pm

The Cyprus Action Network has taken the lead to bring to the international community’s attention the flood of human rights violations that have taken place in the days preceding the referendum on the 24th of April. Violations fall into the many categories some of them listed below.


Government misinformation: Local media and politicians reported that state ministers and officials terrorized government employees, claiming that if the Annan Plan were to be accepted there would be salary cuts, benefit and job losses.1 In particular, the employees targeted were in the police force, in the military, and in the tourism industry (one of the largest, more profitable industries in the South).

· Education: Teachers in public schools have been pressuring students to support a “NO” vote, encouraging nationalistic behavior and refusing room for discussion in the classroom.2 A discussion on the plan to be held at the English school was cancelled, and the student organizing it was threatened. Threats for the son of a high rank civil servant who resigned because of his disagreement with the government were written on the walls.3

· Media misinformation: Both UN and EU mediators have been prevented from exposing their views in private and public media in the South.4 Moreover, there are claims from politicians that the government had interfered with the operation of the state television channel, CyBC, and organized the president's interview right before the end of the campaign period to avoid the response of the "yes" side.5

· Miscellaneous: A Greek Orthodox bishop threatened voters with damnation if they support the United Nations plan.6 The Church’s influence in the South should not be underestimated, where there is still a large number of practicing Greek Orthodox citizens.

http://www.tech4peace.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=4306



I'm waiting your comments my Greek Cypriot friends! :wink:

Most probably you'll deny these ! :lol:
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Postby Oneness » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:56 pm

I first heard about these allegations in the RoC media and, if they are true, I do not defend these actions. I was a "No" supporter but that does not mean I support this undemocratic behaviour. In fact, it is for my belief in human rights that I supported a "no", on that occasion, and I would be ashamed of the idiots who did these things. It set a bad example for RoC.

At the same time, it is hypocritical of the UN to criticise RoC for human rights violations after that Annan Plan they offered us! Why didn't they call it the Erdogan Plan?! :)
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:07 pm

This is my first entry in this forum, hopefully I'll have enough time to be a regular visitor. Having lived through the referendum period I could say that beyond doubt all the allegations sited about an orchestrated misinformation campaign are correct. Perhaps it is a miracle that under the circumstances the yes vote reached 24%.

What is really annoying is the fact that people can be lead astray so easily by a banch of no good, all fashioned nationalists with no vision for the future. AKEL played an instrumental role in this sorry affair and now the leadersip of this party is trying to put the blame on Talat. In my opinion Talat is a gifted politician and if we really wanted a solution based on the A plan (or on the principles of bizonal federation) then there is nobody better than Talat to deal with and strike a really good deal for the benefit of all Cypriots. However, our sorry politicians cry over Denktash's coffin because Denktash suited them nicely.
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Postby metecyp » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:57 am

Having lived through the referendum period I could say that beyond doubt all the allegations sited about an orchestrated misinformation campaign are correct. Perhaps it is a miracle that under the circumstances the yes vote reached 24%.

God bless the democracy in the south!
What is really annoying is the fact that people can be lead astray so easily by a banch of no good, all fashioned nationalists with no vision for the future.

Old fashioned nationalists? What are you talking about? Papadopoulos is a respected politician fighting against the evil interests of imperialists and defending Hellenic pride in Cyprus!!! (Don't you agree Piratis?)
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:02 am

Very interesting that the only people that support that the above things happen are the ones that voted "yes". (and of course the foreigners that listen to them and they don't miss the chance to adopt such lies).

Unfortunately some people don't know how to respect the will of the majority.

The true misinformation and terrorism came from the people that said that if Greek Cypriots didn't accept the unfair-undemocratic-racist Annan plan a billion bad things would happen to them.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:11 am

That's not true. I know many people who voted "no" who agree that the above allegations are correct. Foreigners do not rely on info passed to them by dispirited "yes" people. This is a ridiculous claim, just as ridiculous as the claim that all people who voted "no" support a nebulous "European solution", meaning of course, the Cyprus Republic is here and the Tcts can back into it, if they so wish. This shows blatant disrespect to history and makes mockery of our credibility regarding our very own claims as to the kind of solution we envisage. The civilised world and its institutions can never accept such behaviour. For this reason we are witnessing the endeavours of our stakeholders to upgrade the status of the Tcts and the splendid isolation of Papadopoulos who can stay for a fortnight in the USA and can not secure a meeting even with a lower rank member of the government.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:42 am

I know nobody that voted "no" and agrees with the above, so we are probably living on a different island? How comes if thats true Papadopoulos support rate is over 80%?

What happened is true information and not misinformation. For example what did you expect to tell to the military people and to others that it was known that they would either loose their job or have some kind of change due to such a solution? Hide it from them?

Hiding the truth from the people was done by Cleredes-Vasiliou, that on one hand they where telling the people about the return of all refugees and the removal of all Turkish troops etc (to steal our votes), and on the other hand they where working on the background to bring a plan to us that did almost nothing from what they where promising.

All these propaganda that goes on from Turks and their alies will not pass. It is unfortunate that some Greek Cypriots give food to those outsiders to harm our own country. Those people instead of being "bad losers" and react in a way that harms Cyprus (like Anastasiades) it would be better to accept the democratic result of the referendum and at least stop supporting the outsiders that want to destroy Cyprus for their own interests.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:50 pm

Now you are saying that all people who voted "yes" are traitors. That's absurd to say the least. Furthermore, while the will of the majority is respected, it does not mean that the majority is politically correct. Remember, the German people in their majority democratically elected Hitler to power. The true Germans then, were the minority who opposed fascism. Countless examples can be sited, from the Greek history too, if you so wish, where the majority got it all wrong. But, to accuse the minority voice of being treacherous is a sign of fascist mentality and you should think twice before making such allegations.

I insist that many "no" voters were not hard line rejectionists. For example, a huge "no" vote from the AKEL electorate would possibly vote differently in the event of a new referendum even with only slight changes to the A plan. It's a pity you cannot see this but it seems it suits you to believe that all "no" voters oppose bizonal bicommunal federation. My last remark is made just to highlight the point that Papadopoulos does not really want b.b.f. but a return to a unitary state, which simply isn't on.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:11 pm

It's a pity you cannot see this but it seems it suits you to believe that all "no" voters oppose bizonal bicommunal federation.


How do you know what I believe????? And why you come to such a wrong conclusion about what I believe?? It just shows how you come to conclusions and how you form your opinion.

Now you are saying that all people who voted "yes" are traitors.


Where did I say this???

. Furthermore, while the will of the majority is respected, it does not mean that the majority is politically correct. Remember, the German people in their majority democratically elected Hitler to power. The true Germans then, were the minority who opposed fascism.


Yes, and in this case the one who supports something that is racist is you and not me. So comparing yourself with the Nazis would be a much better comparison.

You can disagree with the majority as much as you want and you are free to say your minority opinion. But in democracy you have to respect the will of the majority either you like it or not. If you don't, and you are trying by siding with the enemy to punish the majority for their democratic choice, then yes, you are a traitor.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:27 pm

What is really annoying is the fact that people can be lead astray so easily by a banch of no good, all fashioned nationalists with no vision for the future.


Thats your opinion, which according to the majority is wrong. You can either 1)try to change this opinion - and you will fail because your assumption that people are stupid and you are the only smart one is wrong, 2)accept the will of the majority, 3)move to another country 4)become a traitor and try to impose your opinion (unfortunately i see you going this 4th direction)

Papadopoulos is a respected politician fighting against the evil interests of imperialists and defending Hellenic pride in Cyprus!!! (Don't you agree Piratis?)


He is defending Cyprus, and no "Hellenic pride". And why you are asking me? The answer was given in the elections where he got elected from the first round, and by the several surveys that show his popularity around 80%.
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