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[PEACE]

What happened is true information and not misinformation. For example what did you expect to tell to the military people and to others that it was known that they would either loose their job or have some kind of change due to such a solution? Hide it from them?

I really shocked when i heard this from Piratis ! These claims are told to people in North too! Guess who was the owner of these claims!?

Facist party,UBP and Denktas !

Thats your opinion, which according to the majority is wrong. You can either 1)try to change this opinion - and you will fail because your assumption that people are stupid and you are the only smart one is wrong, 2)accept the will of the majority, 3)move to another country 4)become a traitor and try to impose your opinion (unfortunately i see you going this 4th direction)

Hey,Piratis please calm down !

Noone has right to say these to any person who supports opposite idea!No one has to change his/her idea to suit majority! If this happens than we can't talk from democracy!

[metecyp]

I really shocked when i heard this from Piratis ! These claims are told to people in North too! Guess who was the owner of these claims!?

Facist party,UBP and Denktas !

Fanatism has no nationality. This is the problem we have in Cyprus. In the north, it's called the Turkish nationalism, in the south it's the Greek, but whatever the name is it's the same one-sided, narrow-minded mentality that doesn't trust the other side, that regards the other side as the enemy, regards their own members as traitors if they think otherwise, and that wants to get everything for a solution.

[michalis5354]

Too much Fanatism will kill Cyprus .- As too much Love will kill you ( I know a song with this title)-

About my comments on these I have already told here that the plan has been misinterpreted and it was obvious by hearing some discussions by the Old politicians (nationalist) and thats the reason I say again NEw young Politicians are required to bring change.

However the reasons they were given could not even convinced a 10 year old child.

The Cyprus action Network seems a faithfull source to work for peace and cooperation. I have heard before about this organisation by both GC and TC who are working hard to establish what the Old politicians Failed to achieve. I have been invited and attended to one of their seminars held in 6 months ago I think.

[Piratis]

What is shocking is that according to you our leaders should lie to the people in order to get support. Are the people in the military going to loose their jobs? yes or no? Should they know about it before they vote? yes or no? Is it misinformation if you tell this people in advance that they will lose their job? yes or no?

I am not saying that people in the military should keep their jobs. I said about 10000 times that Cyprus should be demilitarized. But this is one thing, and calling misinformation what has actually been the truth is another thing.

I see you turn your fire to a different point because you saw that you lost this argument. The truth is that there has been no misinformation or pressure by the government. They simply told the people the truth and nothing more and nothing less. Why should they lie? We got enough lies from Cleredes-Vasiliou, we had enough.

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However the reasons they were given could not even convinced a 10 year old child.

10 year old do not vote. How come 76% voted "no"? How comes according to all surveys more young people than older ones voted "no"? How comes that most educated people voted "no"?

If what you say in here is not misinformation then nothing is.

[Bananiot]

Who is the enemy, my friend? Remember, we voted for the turkish army to stay in Cyprus and for all the settlers to remain in the island and increase in numbers at will. We voted, in effect, for partition. The true Cypriot patriots will never accept this and if there are traitors perhaps you know better where to find them. Your haste to label people that you do not agree with you traitors shows your true character and it stings of fascism ...

[Piratis]

We voted for democracy and human rights, and we said NO to the Annan partition plan that would give part of our country permanently and with our signature to Turkey.

Your haste to label people that you do not agree with you traitors shows your true character and it stings of fascism ...

I label traitors the ones that truly are, and not just the ones I don't agree with. I repeat that in the referendum we had two options: "yes" and "no" and every Cypriot could choose any of them for whatever reason and that would be ok. What is treason is when the will of the majority is clear, and you still you work against it by aiding your enemy.

From dictionary.com:

trea·son: Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

Like EOKA-B that were a small minority thinking that they knew better than what the majority wanted, you too today think that you are smarter, know-it-all, all others are idiots, and you are acting in a way that harms the interests of your own country.

Of course later on the Republic (wrongly) forgave same of the members of EOKA-B probably thinking that the "consciously and purposely" part of the definition was not true in their case because they were simply idiots. So maybe you can be forgiven too.

In democracies the direction that the country will follow is decided by the majority. The majority voted for Papadopoulos, and the great majority rejected the plan.

You are free to discuss the Annan plan and to say your views, no problem with that. But if you act in a way that gives support to the enemy, then yes you are a traitor.

[mehmet]

Firstly, lets be clear that the National Socialists of Germany were not elected by a majority, but they were a very powerful minority and gained power anyway. Both in Cyprus, Greece and Turkey we know what dictatorship is, lets not confuse dictatorship with democracy.

Secondly lets discuss enemies. They are a product of politics and it is conveniant to blame people in order to justify your own actions. The NAZI's used enemies to gain power, in the end they had too many and couldn't fight them all. We need to be careful we don't make our opponents our enemies, we might have to live next door to them one day.

[Piratis]

Secondly lets discuss enemies. They are a product of politics and it is conveniant to blame people in order to justify your own actions. The NAZI's used enemies to gain power, in the end they had too many and couldn't fight them all. We need to be careful we don't make our opponents our enemies, we might have to live next door to them one day.

I always make this clear but since I might omitted it in some posts I will repeat it:
Our enemy is not Turkish Cypriots. Turkish Cypriots are just victims. But Turkey is our enemy. Don't forget that we are in cease fire situation and that Turkey occupies 1/3rd of Cyprus. We don't want to have enemies, but we are given no choice in this case.
We are willing to switch to a friends status with Turkey and forget the past. But we will do this only with a decent compromise and not by surrendering and accepting the results of their illegal invasion and occupation.

[mehmet]

Yes, I wasn't thinking about Turkish Cypriots but the discussion that take place between you and Bananiot. I believe reality is more complex than to divide world into friends and enemies. I don't believe the world is against the aspirations of Greek Cypriots, after all all measures at isolating Turkish Cypriots seem to have been fairly successful. You have more friends than you think. The trouble is you seem to think your friends should support you 100% all the time. Don't you have disagreements with your friends?

[Piratis]

I believe reality is more complex than to divide world into friends and enemies.

In most cases your friends are only those that you have very very strong historical ties with. The rest will just move and act in a friendly or hostile way depending on their interests. Some times their interests will be complex, so they can act in both friendly and hostile ways at the same time.

In most cases an "enemy" might not be a whole country, but some people and special interests within that country that work against us.

But as I explained above the current situation is that Turkey is our enemy. We all wish that this will change of course. We have no benefit to have a country of 60 million as our enemy.