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[Papas]

I recent poll in Cyprus showed that 52% of Greek Cypriots would prefer 2 totally separeated countries than the non-functional plan of Anan.
So, what Turkish Cypriots think about this? Which of the following would you preferer:

Continuation of the current situation?

Anan's Plan as is, without any changes

Keep around 25% of the land and have your state recognized

-In choice one, the current situation is continued. We enter the EU, you keep the land that you currently have, but nobody recognizes you.
-Choice 2 is Anan's plan, without a single change.
-Choice 3, you keep 25% of the land, (if you want more, then nobody will agree therefore its the same like taking choice 1) you have your state internationally recognized, we enter the EU, you don't, and thats it.


So, if you had to choose one of the above, which would you choose, and why?

[Punk Floyd]

I still can't see what's your problem with the plans or the people you name as Turkish Cypriots. They mean you really don't want the reunification?
I, myself, don't have any problems with Greek Cypriots (as you name yourself), and indeed some of my best friends are g/c here. We are living with them without any problems and it seems the only problem we have is to think there is a problem between two parts of a country.
Now i can't see why you don't want to live with us. Do you think we will harm you? or you don't like the language we use? or may be the problem is you are christian and we are atheists?
It seems the real problem is here, not in the plans are we are the ones whi is going to solve that, not the plans.
I opened my mind here, sorry that i haven't answered the quoestion, but im choosing none of them, since none of them brings any unification or peace. Now I speak no further, since you must have something to tell.

[Papas]

Hey .. this is an old thread, I didn't visit the forum for a while but I got a notification in my email about it

What do you mean people that *I* name as Turkish Cypriots? Thats how they call themselves isn't it?

And how did you came to the conclusion that I don't want reunification?
What i said is that that that Anans plan is not functional.
I want reunification, but I want democracy and human rights also.

You leave in Germany. I guess you have the german citizenship also. I know there are a lot of Turks in Germany, maybe more than 5%. Do you think Gernany should give you 15% of their ground, 20% of the seats in the parliament and a veto power? In Turkey there are almost 20% Kurds. What does Turkey give them?

What I am saying here is that I want to live with Turkish Cypriots and I have no problem with calling myself and everybody that lives on this island (Turkish Cypriots, Greek Cypriots, Maronites Latines etc) as Cypriots.

What I can not accept is to live in a country without democracy. Democracy means that everybody (individuals, groups etc) are all equal, and the majority rules and minorities have 100% rights.

In Cyprus we have a group of people (they call themselves Turkish Cypriots, I don't know how you want to call you) that want their vote to count as three votes. I can accept that Turkish Cypriots will have more benefits than any other minority in the world, but democracy is something that I can not sucrifice.

Therefore for the federal state each person should be one vote. This is what democracy means.

Do you desagree that democracy and human rights should be respected in a new unified Cyprus?

[Punk Floyd]

hmm.. i haven`t realised that the thread is old...anyway.

now to correct some misunderstandings:

first of all, I`m just studying in Germany. I`m not a citizen or something and i don`t want their ground, even if they have the will to give it to me, and i want stay away from turks in germany as much as possible, but that`s not an important point.

secondly, i support Kurds in Turkey and giving them ground for another country, or stopping the crimes done to them in Turkey.

thirdly, if we continue to classify people as: Greek Cypriot, Maronit Cypriot, Latine Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot etc) how can we talk about unification.

fourth, sorry if my last message was a bit full of anger but that was because the stress of current situation. i didn`t mean that you don`t want peace, but my word was for the ones who seem to want the peace but who doesn`t want (no need to get upset so).

fifth, i don`t remember saying anything about that 3 vote for 1 vote or something like that, and i`m not supporting anything like that (and i have no idea where did you got that impression), but my post was about that. You got the impression, before i tell anything, that i`m supporting a 1 to 3 vote system or something like that. I also know people who got worser impressions even before seeing who i am. I`m talking about some of the Southern Cypriots who don`t even say "hello" to me here. I also know some people from my communty that won`t talk to you without any reason. The problem is that in Cyprus.

How can we make a peace without talking to each other?

Annan`s plan was just a plan. We could have made thousands of plans if some wanted the peace. I support Union or Federation or any plan which will bring peace.

I hope I made myself more clear, since living here makes me forget my English. Macht`s gut.

[Papas]

Personally and most greek cypriots wouldn't have any problems with what you say. Turkish Cypriots call themselves "Turkish Cypriots" and according to Denctash not only you are a separate minority but a separate nation.

If what you support is having a unified country without classifing people according to religion and all be Cypriots without any differences one from onother, then you support our position more than we support it. We gave up supporting it because we saw that Turkish Cypriots want some kind of separation. Beleive me, its not our choice!! So you shouldn't argue with me, but with other T/C that obviously do not share your opinion.

[Hristos]

I still can't see what's your problem with the plans or the people you name as Turkish Cypriots. They mean you really don't want the reunification?
I, myself, don't have any problems with Greek Cypriots (as you name yourself), and indeed some of my best friends are g/c here. We are living with them without any problems and it seems the only problem we have is to think there is a problem between two parts of a country.
Now i can't see why you don't want to live with us. Do you think we will harm you? or you don't like the language we use? or may be the problem is you are christian and we are atheists?
It seems the real problem is here, not in the plans are we are the ones whi is going to solve that, not the plans.
I opened my mind here, sorry that i haven't answered the quoestion, but im choosing none of them, since none of them brings any unification or peace. Now I speak no further, since you must have something to tell.

Since when are Turkish Cypriots atheists? lol.

[Guest]

since when?
i dunno. but im an atheist. so my father and mother are too. all of my friends are atheist too (and i`ve got many friends). I only know teh old people as muslims there.

[Punk Floyd]

Sorry that i acidentally post as guest.
Let me talk clearly, what Denktash does and say, has nothing to do with the community. denktash only represtents himself and his family, and nothing more.
But it`s not clear "then you are supporting our position more than we do". what did you mean? i support the seperation of communities?

[Papas]

But it`s not clear "then you are supporting our position more than we do". what did you mean? i support the seperation of communities?

No, we would prefer to live in a unified country, not federation or confederation or anything like that. One country, with equal rights for each citizen. For us, federation is a compromise. Separation is again a compromise. These are things that Turkey demanded and we didn't had the power to decline.

Now my assumption is that while Denctash belongs to a small minority of fanatics, you belong to another small minority. While I agree with what you say, I doubt your words represent the majority of Turkish Cypriots. For example maybe everybody that you know is atheist, but the majority of Turkish Cypriots are muslims. I believe thats a fact its hard to decline.

[Punk Floyd]

you are right about denktash, but muslims?
go and check the mosques if you like.