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[Tony-4497]

Talat today apparently stated he was pleased that the GC side agreed to start discussing "criteria" in connection with the property issue, hence making some progress in this chapter.

I, for one, have not authorised either of the two to negotiate my personal property ownership rights. This is a strictly private matter concerning individuals and NO ONE should have the right to intervene and in any way remove or limit personal rights that are protected by the ECHR etc.

If Mr Christofias wants to discuss "criteria" regarding the ownership of GC property, perhaps he can do so in respect of his country house in Kellaki - but not my property in the occupied areas.

Does anyone know if, in case it becomes apparent that the GC leadership is starting to accept such "criteria" i.e. compulsory purchases of private property for purposes other than public roads, projects etc, an injuction could be obtained at a Cyprus or EU court preventing them from continuing this specific part of the negotiation?

[bill cobbett]

Absolutely mate.

What's yours is yours, and outside the relatively small scale public works you mention, and always will be.

Mass compullsory appropriation with a modicum of compensation of the scale that Talat would like to see goes way, way beyond the acceptable.

Doesn't matter if this sort of crappy compulsory compensation becomes RoC law as part of a wider settlement cos there is a primacy of law that alll states have to respect in their legislation and which determines some aspects of the relationship between state and individual.

In this case the over-riding principle is the base human right to own and enjoy property.

What to do if they try it on? Join forces with many, many others in the sort of class class action that has been threatened here on CF and elsewhere and haul the ass of the post-settlement federal CY government before the ECHR.

Lot of aggrieved property owners = lots of money = best Human Rights Lawyers in Europe.

[Viewpoint]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

[Get Real!]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

[Viewpoint]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

Try being serious just for a change both will get compensation...no realistic way out of such problems.

[bill cobbett]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

[Get Real!]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

Try being serious just for a change both will get compensation...no realistic way out of such problems.

I am serious! I can’t imagine myself building on someone else’s land without their permission, and I would fully understand their demand for all foreign matter to be removed from it.

[YFred]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

Try being serious just for a change both will get compensation...no realistic way out of such problems.

I am serious! I can’t imagine myself building on someone else’s land without their permission, and I would fully understand their demand for all foreign matter to be removed from it.

So what do you suggest the TCs should have done for the last 35 years, play tiddlywinks? The RoC as the legitimate government should have taken into account what would happen when the economy of the TRNC was going to be suffocated. To put it simply you can’t throw somebody off a ship in the middle of the ocean that can’t swim and then blame them for grabbing the first serpent that came along.

Survival is the name of the game and you would do the same under the same circumstances, so stop kidding yourself.

[MR-from-NG]

Marios has a point as does VP. But how can you hope for peace and a just settlement without giving the negotiations and the negotiators the opportunity to achieve this?

You saying f** Christophias I want my property back and other unreasonable demands will achieve nothing. Do you want a settlement or not? Are you prepared to make sacrifices or not? Its really that simple, we will all have to make sacrifices, some more than others. Be prepared!!

[Get Real!]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

Try being serious just for a change both will get compensation...no realistic way out of such problems.

I am serious! I can’t imagine myself building on someone else’s land without their permission, and I would fully understand their demand for all foreign matter to be removed from it.

So what do you suggest the TCs should have done for the last 35 years, play tiddlywinks? The RoC as the legitimate government should have taken into account what would happen when the economy of the TRNC was going to be suffocated.

That's the dumbest heap of shit I've ever heard in my life!

Whoever gave you permission to create this "TRNC" in the first place you illiterate nincompoop?

To put it simply you can’t throw somebody off a ship in the middle of the ocean that can’t swim and then blame them for grabbing the first serpent that came along.

Survival is the name of the game and you would do the same under the same circumstances, so stop kidding yourself.

You should’ve thought of that before you created the TMT and smuggled weapons in from Turkey!

What exactly were you aiming for if not the PREMEDITATED THEFT of GC land and properties that a “TC state” would encompass???