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[YFred]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

How are you getting on with recovering what is rightfully yours in Anglisides?

It has been a long wait but getting there. I have most of the deeds.

What about the land and rent/compensation?

[Tony-4497]

vote against any agreement you don't like in the promised referendum - but be careful what you wish for because if the GCs vote against a reunification plan that is Cypriot owned the world might just wash their hand of the Cyprus problem and leave.

That is EXACTLY what Christofias is counting on.

After obtaining the GC votes on the basis of his manifesto, he is now, in my view, violating the fundamental provisions of that manifesto, which will lead us to a referendum where we:

- either accept a plan very similar to Annan, or
- suffer the heavy consequences of rejecting a second UN plan, which in this case has even been approved by GC leadership.

This, in my view, is the man's plan for "Cementing the Yes", as he put it.

We have democracy, so it will be for people to decide - but I believe that no leader, even an elected president of the RoC, has the right or authority to negotiate an individual's private property rights.

[zan]

I think this is just another politically motivated post rather than the one trying to be portrayed....The one of an owner disgruntled about the right to ownership.

Of course my post is politically motivated, in the sense that it expresses my political views that relate to the form and provisions of the solution - in addition to my personal issue.

I have taken my personal issue, which is with Turkey, to the ECHR.

Welcome to the real world in which the political decisions will be made by yours and mine leaders and your ECHR will end up with compensation.....Two separate issues.

[denizaksulu]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

How are you getting on with recovering what is rightfully yours in Anglisides?

It has been a long wait but getting there. I have most of the deeds.

What about the land and rent/compensation?

We have not gone into that. The home is occupied by refugees from the north. I objected to the demand of rent, that might be subject to a final settlement of the Cyprob. No rush. The land use is more difficult to solve. Its not just one or two pieces of land.

[YFred]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

How are you getting on with recovering what is rightfully yours in Anglisides?

It has been a long wait but getting there. I have most of the deeds.

What about the land and rent/compensation?

We have not gone into that. The home is occupied by refugees from the north. I objected to the demand of rent, that might be subject to a final settlement of the Cyprob. No rush. The land use is more difficult to solve. Its not just one or two pieces of land.

You mean to tell me that after all this time, all they did is to give you few bits of paper. No Access and no finance, in the mean time they made you pay the taxes back dated to 1963, whilst they have been collecting the rent all that time.
RoC Legal Governement? more like legalised Mafia.

[denizaksulu]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

How are you getting on with recovering what is rightfully yours in Anglisides?

It has been a long wait but getting there. I have most of the deeds.

What about the land and rent/compensation?

We have not gone into that. The home is occupied by refugees from the north. I objected to the demand of rent, that might be subject to a final settlement of the Cyprob. No rush. The land use is more difficult to solve. Its not just one or two pieces of land.

You mean to tell me that after all this time, all they did is to give you few bits of paper. No Access and no finance, in the mean time they made you pay the taxes back dated to 1963, whilst they have been collecting the rent all that time.
RoC Legal Governement? more like legalised Mafia.

Maybe thats your one way to look at it, but our case is not yet closed. Watch this space.

[Get Real!]

Just a reminder to all that the RoC did the right thing decades ago when they established the “Turkish Cypriot properties Management Service” thereby securing TC property ownership on Cyprus…

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/citizenschart ... enDocument

With only a very small number of cases whereby the government took over some TC land/properties (as in the case of one out of two plots of TC land on the edge of the Larnaca airport) under “Obligatory Expropriation Law”...

Obligatory Expropriation Law #15/62
(In Greek: Περί Αναγκαστικής Απαλλοτρίωσης Νόμου Αρ. 15/62)

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/citizenschart ... enDocument

In which case, reimbursement/compensation is based on (1) the current value of the land/property being expropriated, (2) plus 9% interest from the date of notice of the intent, (3) plus any damages incurred as a result of the expropriation.

So don’t even think about telling Greek Cypriots that they should settle for secondary this or peanuts that!

[bill cobbett]

Can I just say that in the past 35 years in many cases land ownership has got in to a bit of a mess in that for instance kochans have gone missing or not been kept up date to take account of such things as inheritence.

A friend went into Famagusta Land Registry a few weeks ago and in these situations, details are taken from claimants to land and a question mark put against the land plot cross-referenced to the claim.

[MR-from-NG]

..But how can you hope for peace and a just settlement without giving the negotiations and the negotiators the opportunity to achieve this?

Negotiators are there on the basis of their contract with the people who voted for them. That contract was specific and the current actions of the GC leadership are in full violation of that contract - that's why polls show an 80%+ disapproval of the government's negotiating strategy.

..I want my property back and other unreasonable demands..

..er.. do we live on the same planet? Are you listening to yourself?

Do you want a settlement or not? Are you prepared to make sacrifices or not? Its really that simple, we will all have to make sacrifices, some more than others. Be prepared!!

The ultimate sacrifice the GC LEADERSHIP has made, and it is a major one, is for 82% GCs to accept a BBF with political equality with the 18% TCs. Nowhere in the world can such an injustice be found.

The GC public has never signed up to the above and has in fact rejected it by 76% the ONLY time it was asked to accept or reject such a solution.

I think it will be extremely HARD to convince the GC public to accept ANY BBF with political equality in the first place. However, if ON TOP of this major concession there are additional unacceptable elements, especially violations of the PRIVATE human right of ownership, then a solution on this basis becomes IMPOSSIBLE.

Accordingly, you, Turkey, the US/UK and all who actually want a solution should focus all their efforts on making the BBF with PE as painless as possible for GCs so that it will have even a small chance of passing a referendum.

Agreeing a BBF does not necessarily require the compulsory loss of property - but a BBF solution that includes this will never pass a GC referendum.

Tony, I clearly meant under the circumstances in which we all found ourselves in. If it was such a clear case of legal rights and ownership then why aren't you in your house/property now?

Which legal representative can successfully represent you right now, this minute, to claim your property back? If, by you demanding your property back you are causing a stumbling block in the negotiations then yes, you are being unreasonable.
So, are we on the same planet or not?

[Kikapu]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

Try being serious just for a change both will get compensation...no realistic way out of such problems.

I am serious! I can’t imagine myself building on someone else’s land without their permission, and I would fully understand their demand for all foreign matter to be removed from it.

So what do you suggest the TCs should have done for the last 35 years, play tiddlywinks? The RoC as the legitimate government should have taken into account what would happen when the economy of the TRNC was going to be suffocated.

That's the dumbest heap of shit I've ever heard in my life!

Whoever gave you permission to create this "TRNC" in the first place you illiterate nincompoop?

To put it simply you can’t throw somebody off a ship in the middle of the ocean that can’t swim and then blame them for grabbing the first serpent that came along.

Survival is the name of the game and you would do the same under the same circumstances, so stop kidding yourself.

You should’ve thought of that before you created the TMT and smuggled weapons in from Turkey!

What exactly were you aiming for if not the PREMEDITATED THEFT of GC land and properties that a “TC state” would encompass???

That's the dumbest heap of shit I've ever heard in my life!

Oh, I don't know, GR. YFred is full of dumb ass comments.!