Tony-4497 wrote:Peterc wrote:Tony-4497 wrote:Peterc wrote:As I understand it, what the TRNC has done is collect deeds from TCs that have land in the south, and given them land in the North of the same size, location etc.
The only way I would imagine a solution being agreed will be if we accept the exchange.
I for one would agree to this land swop especially as I would welcome something, as at the moment I have nothing.
Turkey cannot afford to be paying compensation and the EU and America will support the exchange plan.
It may all be good for the GCs who were not ousted from their homes in '74 to disagree with a solution as they neither gain or lose anything but I would welcome anything back for my family.
Oh, I see.. so all the TCs and Anatolian settlers to whom the Annan Plan was granting property rights (i.e. the same rights the plan was taking away from the legal GC owners) had equivalent properties in the non-occupied areas... I must have missed that..
I think you should write a note to the community leaders and the UN - they have been wasting huge amounts of time on this issue, whereas all that has to happen is for the exchange of properties achieved by the "TRNC" (whatever this is..?) to be recognised.. and hey presto, problem solved!!
And presumably, the area of the new TC component state will be around 15% of Cyprus (because this is roughly the proportion owned by TCs and has hence been exchanged).. is that right?
Perhaps you need to face the facts, historically you will note that Turkey never gives back what it takes. As Turkey is an American pet it is in a position of strength! If you believe that Turkey will smile and say sorry to you and give back what you believe is rightly yours, your either kidding yourself or have your head buried in the sand. If it is true that the TCs who have land in the south have exchanged this for land in the North then this will have to be a condition. Whether we like it or not. With regards to the settlers unfortunately they are here and the governments need to work this out. AGAIN WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT!
Finally, leave out the sarcasm, its not nessassary or cute!
I too have property in the occupied areas (in fact, it was, in theory, due to be returned under the AP) and I of course want a solution to be found.
My comments relate to how a REALISTIC formula can be found for the property issue. I am not suggesting that Turkey will simply take its troops and settlers away and hand back all she has stolen.
However, if you believe that provisions SIMILAR to those in the Annan plan have ANY chance of being accepted, then it is you who has the head buried in the sand.
If you want a solution, as you say, you should appreciate that a BBF is unlikely to pass a GC referendum in ANY case, as it is fundamentally unfair on GCs. If, however, the solution ALSO violates the PRIVATE human right of ownership, then it has NO chance of passing (as per AP).
This would be bad for GCs, as they would not get anything back (at least in the short-term), and it would be even worse for Turkey, as it would be unable to join the EU and fulfill its potential.
The only chance a (borderline) Yes from BOTH sides can be achieved at referendum is if:
- The area of the TC component state is reduced to 20-23% of Cyprus, hence allowing more of a concentration of TC;
- Offering the CHOICE of compensation, exchange and continuation of ownership to GC property owners, with the former 2 being at MARKET rates, hence ensuring that most will indeed accept these
- The above 2 factors will ensure that TCs will have majority of population and property ownership in their component state, while keeping enough GCs happy to get the solution passed and the solution cost at a doable level.
The above would also make the overall solution feel more "fair", as the 18% TCs would end up with a piece of land closer to their population %.
What is it with the GC mentality and the land percentage somehow matching the population percentage? The two are not connected in any shape or form. TC land percentage (Private and Government and Evkaf) is yet to be established in the property negotiations. How ever you are in luck, because judging by how many months Muhtar X took to negotiate governance, he will never get to negotiate property exchange so you can claim what ever you want in perpetuity and enjoy it.
