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[Hermes]

In any case, my statement was one of fact, not interpretation or up for debate. It is a FACT that Turkey will not enter the EU unless a solution is found which is acceptable to GCs.

True. Turkey can't escape the fact that if it wants to get into the EU it has to find a solution that the Greek Cypriots will accept. That means a unified federal state, no guarantees, the return of the majority of settlers to Anatolia, the withdrawal of Turkish troops and the return of the majority of refugees to their homes. Are they ready for such a scenario? Because that is the deal they will have to cut. There can be no EU entry without it.

[zan]

Minority minority minority blah blah

BBF is supposed to do away with that mantra. Obviously with that issue out of the way there is no room for special status for anyone.

Nothing special about it Nikitas......We want what is ours on our own island....Not for you to make it sound as if you are giving us something as a minority....

Fair answer Zan. You have what is yours and the Greek Cypriots will have what is theirs. Canr be feirer that that. When does the transfer of properties begin.

You speaking for the GCs??? Even Makarios had to compromise on that fair swap because of the PRESSURES he had to face from his own......Now a fair swap is being decided...It seems you want to forgo what is yours as long as you can live in your village......You don't want that little part of representation because as far as I am concerned they have not offered it???

Come on Den...Don't just throw in a comment and go.....You have always confused me as to what you want....Are you going to at least ask for your constitutional rights under the Zurich agreement or just your home???

It is you whois talking in riddles in answering Nikitas. I told you I am no politician. You have to be more specific .

As for my rights, I think I have them. More rights than I have when I visit the North. Come a settlement, I would be lost for choices where I would like to settle. I am sure you would too.

Now its good night from me.

Nothing about being a politician...That is always your excuse. There is nothing the least bit fuzzy about what I wrote....My land, my home my dignity.....That is what I had in Cyprus at the age of three and that is what I want......How can I be more specific.....You have read what I have written for a long time now and you want more specifics

'Anlayana sivri sinek saz, anlamayana davul zurna az'.

You know my vies on your past posts. I am referring to your reply to Nikitas, where you said, 'We want what is ours on our own island' and I replied, the same also applies to our Greek Cypriot compatriots.

Perhaps if you take the sivri sinek out of your ear you might hear the davul zurna Deniz.... I SAID, PERHAPS IF YOU.....Sagir herif


I don't know how else to say it Deniz....What is mine is more than just property but then you seem to hear what you want to hear lately.....My dad suffers from the same affliction when my mum is talking........NE!!!

[zan]

Perhaps Christofias can ask the people to register their interests if they don't want to return, but are willing to accept compensation, this will allow a bit of willing negotiation form individuals and hence bother leaders have land mass to play with.

I personally support full right of return but can appreciate not everyone would like to return.

That is quite understandable Humanist.

But for a moment I thought our Zan was being overtly gnerous andready to give the GCs their property back.

How are you btw?

I am always generous to those that show generosity themselves.......I will generously explain again if you still haven't got it....Hmmmm!

[denizaksulu]

Minority minority minority blah blah

BBF is supposed to do away with that mantra. Obviously with that issue out of the way there is no room for special status for anyone.

Nothing special about it Nikitas......We want what is ours on our own island....Not for you to make it sound as if you are giving us something as a minority....

Fair answer Zan. You have what is yours and the Greek Cypriots will have what is theirs. Canr be feirer that that. When does the transfer of properties begin.

You speaking for the GCs??? Even Makarios had to compromise on that fair swap because of the PRESSURES he had to face from his own......Now a fair swap is being decided...It seems you want to forgo what is yours as long as you can live in your village......You don't want that little part of representation because as far as I am concerned they have not offered it???

Come on Den...Don't just throw in a comment and go.....You have always confused me as to what you want....Are you going to at least ask for your constitutional rights under the Zurich agreement or just your home???

It is you whois talking in riddles in answering Nikitas. I told you I am no politician. You have to be more specific .

As for my rights, I think I have them. More rights than I have when I visit the North. Come a settlement, I would be lost for choices where I would like to settle. I am sure you would too.

Now its good night from me.

Nothing about being a politician...That is always your excuse. There is nothing the least bit fuzzy about what I wrote....My land, my home my dignity.....That is what I had in Cyprus at the age of three and that is what I want......How can I be more specific.....You have read what I have written for a long time now and you want more specifics

'Anlayana sivri sinek saz, anlamayana davul zurna az'.

You know my vies on your past posts. I am referring to your reply to Nikitas, where you said, 'We want what is ours on our own island' and I replied, the same also applies to our Greek Cypriot compatriots.

Perhaps if you take the sivri sinek out of your ear you might hear the davul zurna Deniz.... I SAID, PERHAPS IF YOU.....Sagir herif


I don't know how else to say it Deniz....What is mine is more than just property but then you seem to hear what you want to hear lately.....My dad suffers from the same affliction when my mum is talking........NE!!!

Bilmukabil.

[zan]

Minority minority minority blah blah

BBF is supposed to do away with that mantra. Obviously with that issue out of the way there is no room for special status for anyone.

Nothing special about it Nikitas......We want what is ours on our own island....Not for you to make it sound as if you are giving us something as a minority....

Fair answer Zan. You have what is yours and the Greek Cypriots will have what is theirs. Canr be feirer that that. When does the transfer of properties begin.

You speaking for the GCs??? Even Makarios had to compromise on that fair swap because of the PRESSURES he had to face from his own......Now a fair swap is being decided...It seems you want to forgo what is yours as long as you can live in your village......You don't want that little part of representation because as far as I am concerned they have not offered it???

Come on Den...Don't just throw in a comment and go.....You have always confused me as to what you want....Are you going to at least ask for your constitutional rights under the Zurich agreement or just your home???

It is you whois talking in riddles in answering Nikitas. I told you I am no politician. You have to be more specific .

As for my rights, I think I have them. More rights than I have when I visit the North. Come a settlement, I would be lost for choices where I would like to settle. I am sure you would too.

Now its good night from me.

Nothing about being a politician...That is always your excuse. There is nothing the least bit fuzzy about what I wrote....My land, my home my dignity.....That is what I had in Cyprus at the age of three and that is what I want......How can I be more specific.....You have read what I have written for a long time now and you want more specifics

'Anlayana sivri sinek saz, anlamayana davul zurna az'.

You know my vies on your past posts. I am referring to your reply to Nikitas, where you said, 'We want what is ours on our own island' and I replied, the same also applies to our Greek Cypriot compatriots.

Perhaps if you take the sivri sinek out of your ear you might hear the davul zurna Deniz.... I SAID, PERHAPS IF YOU.....Sagir herif


I don't know how else to say it Deniz....What is mine is more than just property but then you seem to hear what you want to hear lately.....My dad suffers from the same affliction when my mum is talking........NE!!!

Bilmukabil.

Sende yilan gibi sokma...Dilimi isir isir kopartiyorum

[YFred]

Minority minority minority blah blah

BBF is supposed to do away with that mantra. Obviously with that issue out of the way there is no room for special status for anyone.

Nothing special about it Nikitas......We want what is ours on our own island....Not for you to make it sound as if you are giving us something as a minority....

Fair answer Zan. You have what is yours and the Greek Cypriots will have what is theirs. Canr be feirer that that. When does the transfer of properties begin.

You speaking for the GCs??? Even Makarios had to compromise on that fair swap because of the PRESSURES he had to face from his own......Now a fair swap is being decided...It seems you want to forgo what is yours as long as you can live in your village......You don't want that little part of representation because as far as I am concerned they have not offered it???

Come on Den...Don't just throw in a comment and go.....You have always confused me as to what you want....Are you going to at least ask for your constitutional rights under the Zurich agreement or just your home???

It is you whois talking in riddles in answering Nikitas. I told you I am no politician. You have to be more specific .

As for my rights, I think I have them. More rights than I have when I visit the North. Come a settlement, I would be lost for choices where I would like to settle. I am sure you would too.

Now its good night from me.

Nothing about being a politician...That is always your excuse. There is nothing the least bit fuzzy about what I wrote....My land, my home my dignity.....That is what I had in Cyprus at the age of three and that is what I want......How can I be more specific.....You have read what I have written for a long time now and you want more specifics

'Anlayana sivri sinek saz, anlamayana davul zurna az'.

You know my vies on your past posts. I am referring to your reply to Nikitas, where you said, 'We want what is ours on our own island' and I replied, the same also applies to our Greek Cypriot compatriots.

Perhaps if you take the sivri sinek out of your ear you might hear the davul zurna Deniz.... I SAID, PERHAPS IF YOU.....Sagir herif


I don't know how else to say it Deniz....What is mine is more than just property but then you seem to hear what you want to hear lately.....My dad suffers from the same affliction when my mum is talking........NE!!!

Bilmukabil.

Sende yilan gibi sokma...Dilimi isir isir kopartiyorum

Both get detention, write 100 times "I must not be rude to a fellow Cypriot."

[humanist]

my Turkish is minimal can someone translate

[denizaksulu]

my Turkish is minimal can someone translate

Not worth it Humanist. Just Zan trying to wind someone up who disagrees with his pov's.

[Tony-4497]

humanist wrote:

Perhaps Christofias can ask the people to register their interests if they don't want to return, but are willing to accept compensation, this will allow a bit of willing negotiation form individuals and hence bother leaders have land mass to play with.

It is impossible for anyone to make such a decision unless they know how much they would get for their property.

My belief is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for GC property owners to be compensated at MARKET VALUE for their properties - and this will be the main obstacle for solving the Cyprus problem.

GCs owned some 85% of land in the north, much of it by the sea. The Market Value of this is many tens of billions of Euros, whereas the international aid pack, even back in 2004 (i.e. no crisis), was only a few hundred million.

It is for this reason that the AP, instead of current Market Value, talked about 1974 prices (i.e. peanuts) plus some inflation rate. And, adding salt to injury, also provided for the compensation to be paid by GCs (i.e. the federal state which would be 100% funded by GCs)!!

Unltimately, when you cut through all the bullshit, the Cy problem boils down to a case of good old robbery and land grab of a significant chunk of a country i.e. the 18% population, which owned some 15% of land wants to have 30% of land.. so even after any exchange, SOMEONE has to PAY for the 15% of Cyprus - ANYONE who tries to do this will go bankrupt!

[Tim Drayton]

humanist wrote:

Perhaps Christofias can ask the people to register their interests if they don't want to return, but are willing to accept compensation, this will allow a bit of willing negotiation form individuals and hence bother leaders have land mass to play with.

It is impossible for anyone to make such a decision unless they know how much they would get for their property.

My belief is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for GC property owners to be compensated at MARKET VALUE for their properties - and this will be the main obstacle for solving the Cyprus problem.

GCs owned some 85% of land in the north, much of it by the sea. The Market Value of this is many tens of billions of Euros, whereas the international aid pack, even back in 2004 (i.e. no crisis), was only a few hundred million.

It is for this reason that the AP, instead of current Market Value, talked about 1974 prices (i.e. peanuts) plus some inflation rate. And, adding salt to injury, also provided for the compensation to be paid by GCs (i.e. the federal state which would be 100% funded by GCs)!!

Unltimately, when you cut through all the bullshit, the Cy problem boils down to a case of good old robbery and land grab of a significant chunk of a country i.e. the 18% population, which owned some 15% of land wants to have 30% of land.. so even after any exchange, SOMEONE has to PAY for the 15% of Cyprus - ANYONE who tries to do this will go bankrupt!

I think you are ignoring part of this equation, though, which is the market value of the Turkish Cypriot owned property in the south. If you look at Limassol alone, and consider the location of the projected marina, the current market value of the old Turkish Cypriot quarter of that city must be very high indeed.