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[YFred]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

Who cares? Get a crane and move them...

They should've never been built there in the first place!

Try being serious just for a change both will get compensation...no realistic way out of such problems.

I am serious! I can’t imagine myself building on someone else’s land without their permission, and I would fully understand their demand for all foreign matter to be removed from it.

So what do you suggest the TCs should have done for the last 35 years, play tiddlywinks? The RoC as the legitimate government should have taken into account what would happen when the economy of the TRNC was going to be suffocated.

That's the dumbest heap of shit I've ever heard in my life!

Whoever gave you permission to create this "TRNC" in the first place you illiterate nincompoop?

To put it simply you can’t throw somebody off a ship in the middle of the ocean that can’t swim and then blame them for grabbing the first serpent that came along.

Survival is the name of the game and you would do the same under the same circumstances, so stop kidding yourself.

You should’ve thought of that before you created the TMT and smuggled weapons in from Turkey!

What exactly were you aiming for if not the PREMEDITATED THEFT of GC land and properties that a “TC state” would encompass???

GR, its very simple mate, if you grab me by the throat, my reflex reaction is to kick you in the nuts, that does not make me a violent person.
Get a hold of reality.

[Nikitas]

"the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

And there lies the problem, because TC property in the south has not been given over to use by "heavy" users such as hotels and foreign purchasers (some was used for public works, most has not). So the TC who insists on keeping his land will most likely be able to do so, whereas the GC who wants his land in the north back, will most likely not be able to do so.

[AWE]

vote against any agreement you don't like in the promised referendum - but be careful what you wish for because if the GCs vote against a reunification plan that is Cypriot owned the world might just wash their hand of the Cyprus problem and leave.

[Tony-4497]

What do you think the TCs should get if his land has been used to build refugee housing on? or if a 40 million dollar hotel has been built on GC land??

The fact that the thief has invested heavily in developing the stolen property cannot mean he gains rights to it. This is not a matter for you or I to decide and is not negotiable - it is a fundamental human right protected by courts worldwide.

If the thief has in fact invested so heavily, then he can afford to make such a financial offer to the owner of the land, that it would be in the owner's interest to willing agree to sell the land, hence passing ownership to the thief, which will result in a win-win situation. But this can in no way be forced upon the owner.

(and by the way the RoC has NOT granted ownership of refugee housing built on TC land to individuals - TCs are still fully recognised as owners)

[Tony-4497]

..But how can you hope for peace and a just settlement without giving the negotiations and the negotiators the opportunity to achieve this?

Negotiators are there on the basis of their contract with the people who voted for them. That contract was specific and the current actions of the GC leadership are in full violation of that contract - that's why polls show an 80%+ disapproval of the government's negotiating strategy.

..I want my property back and other unreasonable demands..

..er.. do we live on the same planet? Are you listening to yourself?

Do you want a settlement or not? Are you prepared to make sacrifices or not? Its really that simple, we will all have to make sacrifices, some more than others. Be prepared!!

The ultimate sacrifice the GC LEADERSHIP has made, and it is a major one, is for 82% GCs to accept a BBF with political equality with the 18% TCs. Nowhere in the world can such an injustice be found.

The GC public has never signed up to the above and has in fact rejected it by 76% the ONLY time it was asked to accept or reject such a solution.

I think it will be extremely HARD to convince the GC public to accept ANY BBF with political equality in the first place. However, if ON TOP of this major concession there are additional unacceptable elements, especially violations of the PRIVATE human right of ownership, then a solution on this basis becomes IMPOSSIBLE.

Accordingly, you, Turkey, the US/UK and all who actually want a solution should focus all their efforts on making the BBF with PE as painless as possible for GCs so that it will have even a small chance of passing a referendum.

Agreeing a BBF does not necessarily require the compulsory loss of property - but a BBF solution that includes this will never pass a GC referendum.

[denizaksulu]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

[zan]

..But how can you hope for peace and a just settlement without giving the negotiations and the negotiators the opportunity to achieve this?

Negotiators are there on the basis of their contract with the people who voted for them. That contract was specific and the current actions of the GC leadership are in full violation of that contract - that's why polls show an 80%+ disapproval of the government's negotiating strategy.

..I want my property back and other unreasonable demands..

..er.. do we live on the same planet? Are you listening to yourself?

Do you want a settlement or not? Are you prepared to make sacrifices or not? Its really that simple, we will all have to make sacrifices, some more than others. Be prepared!!

The ultimate sacrifice the GC LEADERSHIP has made, and it is a major one, is for 82% GCs to accept a BBF with political equality with the 18% TCs. Nowhere in the world can such an injustice be found.

The GC public has never signed up to the above and has in fact rejected it by 76% the ONLY time it was asked to accept or reject such a solution.

I think it will be extremely HARD to convince the GC public to accept ANY BBF with political equality in the first place. However, if ON TOP of this major concession there are additional unacceptable elements, especially violations of the PRIVATE human right of ownership, then a solution on this basis becomes IMPOSSIBLE.

Accordingly, you, Turkey, the US/UK and all who actually want a solution should focus all their efforts on making the BBF with PE as painless as possible for GCs so that it will have even a small chance of passing a referendum.

Agreeing a BBF does not necessarily require the compulsory loss of property - but a BBF solution that includes this will never pass a GC referendum.

I think this is just another politically motivated post rather than the one trying to be portrayed....The one of an owner disgruntled about the right to ownership.

Me and my family are prepared to give up over 40 donums for a solution....Not all land owners have their heads stuck up something dark and dingy.

[Tim Drayton]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

How are you getting on with recovering what is rightfully yours in Anglisides?

[denizaksulu]

According to CNA this is what Pres X said today on property ...

"In statements at the Presidential Palace after the conclusion of his meeting with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, President Christofias said the only common position of both sides on the chapter of properties is that owners are recognised as such but the Greek Cypriot side gives priority to the owner, whereas the Turkish Cypriot side to the current user."

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So Pres X is sticking by what he has said many times this year ... rightful owners have primacy in what happens to their property.

If the above is true, I then agree with your last sentence. Needless to say it applies to both sides.

How are you getting on with recovering what is rightfully yours in Anglisides?

It has been a long wait but getting there. I have most of the deeds.

[Tony-4497]

I think this is just another politically motivated post rather than the one trying to be portrayed....The one of an owner disgruntled about the right to ownership.

Of course my post is politically motivated, in the sense that it expresses my political views that relate to the form and provisions of the solution - in addition to my personal issue.

I have taken my personal issue, which is with Turkey, to the ECHR.