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[Tony-4497]

.. to accept rotating Presidency??

- This was part of the Annan plan and was rejected by 76% of GCs.

- It is against fundamental human rights (equality of all citizens, no discrimination in voting power on the basis of ethnic origin)

- His intention to accept this was NOT part of his manifesto at the recent elections (had it been, there is no chance he would have been elected or supported by DIKO, EDEK etc)

Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??

[YFred]

Strange I thought he was elected Muhtariko and he could agree on whatever he liked? Subject to a referendum of course.

[Oracle]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

[insan]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

[Oracle]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

[insan]

DISY leader Nicos Anastassiades acknowledged that he had been informed last Monday of the new proposal but that Christofias had failed to inform him of the urgency of time. Before he could examine the proposal with his party, the proposal was submitted two days later.

He also distanced himself from his number two, Averof Neophytou, who was highly critical of the proposal which allows for a rotating presidency with weighted votes for Greek Cypriots when electing a Turkish Cypriot candidate, saying his was a personal remark and not the official party line.

Neophytou had accused Christofias of seeking to create class-based elections, favouring left-wing parties. This comment comes after leaked UN documents revealed a study by one constitutional expert which analyses the potential for left-leaning parties to win federal elections in a united Cyprus under certain conditions.

Anastassiades said one of the reasons Christofias revised his initial proposal was because he did not want to give the impression he’s trying to keep his party in power. “I like to say things as they are,” said the DISY leader.

The latest proposal was discussed widely by the parties yesterday with the Greens labelling the idea of a rotating presidency with a Greek Cypriot president and Turkish Cypriot vice president “racist”. Echoing similar sentiments, DIKO said it was categorically against the idea of a rotating presidency. EVROKO acting head Nicos Koutsou said the “latest slip-up” by the president was turning Greek Cypriots into second class citizens.

Toumazos Tselepis, advisor to the president hit out at Neophytou for his “spicy criticisms” and asked him what kind of proposal he suggested for the executive. He clarified that the latest proposal involves a rotating presidency, elected island-wide but on separate tickets. The Greek Cypriot president would be voted based on one man, one vote, and will spend four years in power, while the Greek Cypriot vote for the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President (who will also serve for two years as president) would be weighted, based on the size of the Turkish Cypriot community in relation to the Greek Cypriot one.

If it was one man, one vote in both instances, “I could take any Turkish Cypriot friend and make him president without a single Turkish Cypriot vote,” argued Tselepis.

The advisor further highlighted that Christofias did not introduce the idea of a rotating presidency since it was in every single one of the five Annan plans made.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=48359

[denizaksulu]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

You said he hadf not referred to this but it is as clear as daylight that he did.

[insan]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

He was not authorised to propose it by other GC political parties but his intention is obviously to convince them to authorise such a proposal that really has good merits regarding the "political equality of 2 communities" and a genuine reunification of Cyprus. If his proposal is accepted by TC side what he will do? Tell us, "sorry, other GC political aprties don't authorise me so that I have to withdraw my proposal"? This is funny!

[Oracle]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

You said he hadf not referred to this but it is as clear as daylight that he did.

Please stay in context. I said he had NOT referred to any authorisation. They can bring up as many potential options as they like but that is not authorisation. It was insan who later brought up a load of proposals as though they were authorisations.

Please go back to the beginning and re-read the thread title to which I was replying ....

[bill cobbett]

Dear Pres X,

You have now proposed two major concessions, the long-standing BBF and now a Rotating Blooming Presidency.

What has Talat conceded? Feck All.

Want some advice Mr Pres? No more bleeding concessions until such time as Turkey comes up with two equally important concessions.

It's all give with the grissy side at the mo.

BillC