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[Tony-4497]

.. to accept rotating Presidency??

- This was part of the Annan plan and was rejected by 76% of GCs.

- It is against fundamental human rights (equality of all citizens, no discrimination in voting power on the basis of ethnic origin)

- His intention to accept this was NOT part of his manifesto at the recent elections (had it been, there is no chance he would have been elected or supported by DIKO, EDEK etc)

Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??

Rotating presidency by itself, is not against fundamental human rights, and is not discrimination on the basis of ethnic origin, provided is done on the basis of actual demographic facts and balances. From the moment our side accepted political equality of the two communities (and it has also become part of the UN SC resolutions,) it has no choice other than to accept rotating presidency as well. What we should discuss is why Christofias has proposed a 4:2 term ratio, instead of a 4:1 which is the real representative ratio of the two communities. The 4:2 ratio violates the political equality of the citizens, because it gives a much higher probability to a TC to represent his/her country as president, than it gives to a GC. This is what you should shout, scream and yell about, and not rotating presidency itself, especially if elections are to be carried out in a cross voting pattern, as it is proposed.

I disagree. Political equality was defined in UN Resolutions as "effective participation" - NOWHERE does it state that the President (in what is a presidential republic) should come from the 18% of the population for some of the time.

As for fundamental rights, I consider it is 100% against such rights and blatant racial discrimination for any GC's vote at election time to count as a small fraction of any TC's vote.

Such arrangements can be found NOWHERE in the world and are certain to collapse before international and EU courts, that is why they are seeking to find ways to stop Cypriots from challenging these arrangements post-solution.

[bill cobbett]

Any criterion that selects a candidate for rotating presidency on the basis of ethnicity, race etc is fundamental discrimination. It won't wash in the EU and elsewhere.

There is a workaround that makes no reference to ethnicity ...

Rotating Presidency between the Leader of the "grissy" zone and the Leader of the "tissy" zone; with freedom of settlement and no restrictions on enfranchisement within the zones.

[Get Real!]

I recall some people consuming a lot of their time on AP analysis (all 9,000 pages of it) only to see it thrown out the window over a day’s referendum!

On this occasion, there’s not even a plan… in fact Turkey’s demands have gotten so (intentionally) ridiculous that they’re impossible to even consider let alone approve and include in a “plan” to be put forward in a democratic referendum!

Soon this RoC government’s time will also expire and the “communist experiment” at solving the Cyprus problem; that some AKEL supporters had yearned for, will have evaporated into history too proving once again the wise words of the late T.Pap on Turkey.

From the coming new year onwards, the EU will be looking at Turkey (whether some like it or not) from a different lens altogether, creating a whole new set of dynamics for the Cyprus problem, so save your energy for those interesting times ahead…

[YFred]

Any criterion that selects a candidate for rotating presidency on the basis of ethnicity, race etc is fundamental discrimination. It won't wash in the EU and elsewhere.

There is a workaround that makes no reference to ethnicity ...

Rotating Presidency between the Leader of the "grissy" zone and the Leader of the "tissy" zone; with freedom of settlement and no restrictions on enfranchisement within the zones.

Do you really think that it would have been proposed if it was not going to be accepted? Think about what system we have in the UK, how undemocratic is that and yet it is acceptable.
EU is not what you imagined it is. Bunch of crooks mate lining their pockets.

[AWE]

Any criterion that selects a candidate for rotating presidency on the basis of ethnicity, race etc is fundamental discrimination. It won't wash in the EU and elsewhere.

There is a workaround that makes no reference to ethnicity ...

Rotating Presidency between the Leader of the "grissy" zone and the Leader of the "tissy" zone; with freedom of settlement and no restrictions on enfranchisement within the zones.

Not at all, it is the two communities that will be political equals so they get a turn at the Presidency - bit like all EU states are equal so this Presidency rotates...

[bill cobbett]

Any criterion that selects a candidate for rotating presidency on the basis of ethnicity, race etc is fundamental discrimination. It won't wash in the EU and elsewhere.

There is a workaround that makes no reference to ethnicity ...

Rotating Presidency between the Leader of the "grissy" zone and the Leader of the "tissy" zone; with freedom of settlement and no restrictions on enfranchisement within the zones.

Not at all, it is the two communities that will be political equals so they get a turn at the Presidency - bit like all EU states are equal so this Presidency rotates...

The net result is the same.

[AWE]

Any criterion that selects a candidate for rotating presidency on the basis of ethnicity, race etc is fundamental discrimination. It won't wash in the EU and elsewhere.

There is a workaround that makes no reference to ethnicity ...

Rotating Presidency between the Leader of the "grissy" zone and the Leader of the "tissy" zone; with freedom of settlement and no restrictions on enfranchisement within the zones.

Not at all, it is the two communities that will be political equals so they get a turn at the Presidency - bit like all EU states are equal so this Presidency rotates...

The net result is the same.

what do you mean, impasse?

[bill cobbett]

Any criterion that selects a candidate for rotating presidency on the basis of ethnicity, race etc is fundamental discrimination. It won't wash in the EU and elsewhere.

There is a workaround that makes no reference to ethnicity ...

Rotating Presidency between the Leader of the "grissy" zone and the Leader of the "tissy" zone; with freedom of settlement and no restrictions on enfranchisement within the zones.

Not at all, it is the two communities that will be political equals so they get a turn at the Presidency - bit like all EU states are equal so this Presidency rotates...

The net result is the same.

what do you mean, impasse?

No mate, the net result is a rotating presidency based on alternating the leaders of the two zones without any reference to ethnicity, race etc, and in this way avoiding claims of discrimation.

The rotating presidency of the EU is based on the geographical constituent states and is not race based. France and Germany etc get a go at the presidency cos they are France and Germany not cos they're French or German etc.

[paaul12]

to accept rotating Presidency??

- This was part of the Annan plan and was rejected by 76% of GCs.

- It is against fundamental human rights (equality of all citizens, no discrimination in voting power on the basis of ethnic origin)

- His intention to accept this was NOT part of his manifesto at the recent elections (had it been, there is no chance he would have been elected or supported by DIKO, EDEK etc)

Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??

Yea he hasn’t spoke to bill, oracle, and of course kifeas, and all the other muppets to ask them what to do

[YFred]

to accept rotating Presidency??

- This was part of the Annan plan and was rejected by 76% of GCs.

- It is against fundamental human rights (equality of all citizens, no discrimination in voting power on the basis of ethnic origin)

- His intention to accept this was NOT part of his manifesto at the recent elections (had it been, there is no chance he would have been elected or supported by DIKO, EDEK etc)

Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??

Yea he hasn’t spoke to bill, oracle, and of course kifeas, and all the other muppets to ask them what to do

Muhtar X is doing fine.