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[halil]

Yes waters are not calm in Cyprus ........ from both fronts it is not calm ....
GC side arguments between each other puts the fire in TC side too .

lets and see what presential speakers Erçakıca said today .

GC SIDE TO FOCUS ON TALKS INSTEAD OF PRESSURING TURKEY

Speaking at his weekly press conference, Mr Ercakica reminded that the two leaders will continue talks tomorrow and on Thursday as agreed earlier.

Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on the issue of executive tomorrow before moving on to external relations on Thursday and later to the topic of property, a core issue in the Cyprus Problem.

Evaluating the EU Commission’s progress report on Turkey, Mr Ercakica said the call made in the report for Ankara to ‘normalize’ its relations with the Greek Cypriot Administration was damaging the negotiations process.

Touching upon Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s visit to South Cyprus, he said despite the Greek premier’s positive contributions to improving Turco-Greek relations, the aim of his visit was to determine how to use their respective EU memberships to exert pressure on the Turkish Side.

Referring to statements made by Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias during the visit, he criticized the Greek Cypriot Leader for his words that if there was no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, they would embark an international campaign so that the world community would pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures, saying that the statement was contradicting with his calls for a `Cypriot solution`.

Stating that there were important lessons both Greece and the Greek Cypriot Side needed to derive from Turkey’s progress report, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriots who were expecting the EU to impose punitive sanctions against Turkey ended by being disappointed”
He said that the Greek Cypriot Side should focus its energy towards reaching a settlement rather than trying to corner Turkey.

[YFred]

Yes waters are not calm in Cyprus ........ from both fronts it is not calm ....
GC side arguments between each other puts the fire in TC side too .

lets and see what presential speakers Erçakıca said today .

GC SIDE TO FOCUS ON TALKS INSTEAD OF PRESSURING TURKEY

Speaking at his weekly press conference, Mr Ercakica reminded that the two leaders will continue talks tomorrow and on Thursday as agreed earlier.

Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on the issue of executive tomorrow before moving on to external relations on Thursday and later to the topic of property, a core issue in the Cyprus Problem.

Evaluating the EU Commission’s progress report on Turkey, Mr Ercakica said the call made in the report for Ankara to ‘normalize’ its relations with the Greek Cypriot Administration was damaging the negotiations process.

Touching upon Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s visit to South Cyprus, he said despite the Greek premier’s positive contributions to improving Turco-Greek relations, the aim of his visit was to determine how to use their respective EU memberships to exert pressure on the Turkish Side.

Referring to statements made by Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias during the visit, he criticized the Greek Cypriot Leader for his words that if there was no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, they would embark an international campaign so that the world community would pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures, saying that the statement was contradicting with his calls for a `Cypriot solution`.

Stating that there were important lessons both Greece and the Greek Cypriot Side needed to derive from Turkey’s progress report, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriots who were expecting the EU to impose punitive sanctions against Turkey ended by being disappointed”
He said that the Greek Cypriot Side should focus its energy towards reaching a settlement rather than trying to corner Turkey.

Halil, I can feel the hot air, all the way in Londonistan.

[bill cobbett]

Yes waters are not calm in Cyprus ........ from both fronts it is not calm ....
GC side arguments between each other puts the fire in TC side too .

lets and see what presential speakers Erçak?ca said today .

GC SIDE TO FOCUS ON TALKS INSTEAD OF PRESSURING TURKEY

Speaking at his weekly press conference, Mr Ercakica reminded that the two leaders will continue talks tomorrow and on Thursday as agreed earlier.

Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on the issue of executive tomorrow before moving on to external relations on Thursday and later to the topic of property, a core issue in the Cyprus Problem.

Evaluating the EU Commission’s progress report on Turkey, Mr Ercakica said the call made in the report for Ankara to ‘normalize’ its relations with the Greek Cypriot Administration was damaging the negotiations process.

Touching upon Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s visit to South Cyprus, he said despite the Greek premier’s positive contributions to improving Turco-Greek relations, the aim of his visit was to determine how to use their respective EU memberships to exert pressure on the Turkish Side.

Referring to statements made by Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias during the visit, he criticized the Greek Cypriot Leader for his words that if there was no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, they would embark an international campaign so that the world community would pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures, saying that the statement was contradicting with his calls for a `Cypriot solution`.

Stating that there were important lessons both Greece and the Greek Cypriot Side needed to derive from Turkey’s progress report, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriots who were expecting the EU to impose punitive sanctions against Turkey ended by being disappointed”
He said that the Greek Cypriot Side should focus its energy towards reaching a settlement rather than trying to corner Turkey.

Halil, I can feel the hot air, all the way in Londonistan.

Hot air? That's the luke-warm and malodorous smell of BayCrap's propagandising ferting you getting mate.

[YFred]

Yes waters are not calm in Cyprus ........ from both fronts it is not calm ....
GC side arguments between each other puts the fire in TC side too .

lets and see what presential speakers Erçak?ca said today .

GC SIDE TO FOCUS ON TALKS INSTEAD OF PRESSURING TURKEY

Speaking at his weekly press conference, Mr Ercakica reminded that the two leaders will continue talks tomorrow and on Thursday as agreed earlier.

Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on the issue of executive tomorrow before moving on to external relations on Thursday and later to the topic of property, a core issue in the Cyprus Problem.

Evaluating the EU Commission’s progress report on Turkey, Mr Ercakica said the call made in the report for Ankara to ‘normalize’ its relations with the Greek Cypriot Administration was damaging the negotiations process.

Touching upon Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s visit to South Cyprus, he said despite the Greek premier’s positive contributions to improving Turco-Greek relations, the aim of his visit was to determine how to use their respective EU memberships to exert pressure on the Turkish Side.

Referring to statements made by Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias during the visit, he criticized the Greek Cypriot Leader for his words that if there was no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, they would embark an international campaign so that the world community would pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures, saying that the statement was contradicting with his calls for a `Cypriot solution`.

Stating that there were important lessons both Greece and the Greek Cypriot Side needed to derive from Turkey’s progress report, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriots who were expecting the EU to impose punitive sanctions against Turkey ended by being disappointed”
He said that the Greek Cypriot Side should focus its energy towards reaching a settlement rather than trying to corner Turkey.

Halil, I can feel the hot air, all the way in Londonistan.

Hot air? That's the luke-warm and malodorous smell of BayCrap's propagandising ferting you getting mate.

I knew it wasn't me, I have my bath once a year whether I need one or not.

[bill cobbett]

Yes waters are not calm in Cyprus ........ from both fronts it is not calm ....
GC side arguments between each other puts the fire in TC side too .

lets and see what presential speakers Erçak?ca said today .

GC SIDE TO FOCUS ON TALKS INSTEAD OF PRESSURING TURKEY

Speaking at his weekly press conference, Mr Ercakica reminded that the two leaders will continue talks tomorrow and on Thursday as agreed earlier.

Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on the issue of executive tomorrow before moving on to external relations on Thursday and later to the topic of property, a core issue in the Cyprus Problem.

Evaluating the EU Commission’s progress report on Turkey, Mr Ercakica said the call made in the report for Ankara to ‘normalize’ its relations with the Greek Cypriot Administration was damaging the negotiations process.

Touching upon Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s visit to South Cyprus, he said despite the Greek premier’s positive contributions to improving Turco-Greek relations, the aim of his visit was to determine how to use their respective EU memberships to exert pressure on the Turkish Side.

Referring to statements made by Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias during the visit, he criticized the Greek Cypriot Leader for his words that if there was no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, they would embark an international campaign so that the world community would pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures, saying that the statement was contradicting with his calls for a `Cypriot solution`.

Stating that there were important lessons both Greece and the Greek Cypriot Side needed to derive from Turkey’s progress report, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriots who were expecting the EU to impose punitive sanctions against Turkey ended by being disappointed”
He said that the Greek Cypriot Side should focus its energy towards reaching a settlement rather than trying to corner Turkey.

Halil, I can feel the hot air, all the way in Londonistan.

Hot air? That's the luke-warm and malodorous smell of BayCrap's propagandising ferting you getting mate.

I knew it wasn't me, I have my bath once a year whether I need one or not.

You've been to Halili's store in Ledras for perfume!

[YFred]

Yes waters are not calm in Cyprus ........ from both fronts it is not calm ....
GC side arguments between each other puts the fire in TC side too .

lets and see what presential speakers Erçak?ca said today .

GC SIDE TO FOCUS ON TALKS INSTEAD OF PRESSURING TURKEY

Speaking at his weekly press conference, Mr Ercakica reminded that the two leaders will continue talks tomorrow and on Thursday as agreed earlier.

Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on the issue of executive tomorrow before moving on to external relations on Thursday and later to the topic of property, a core issue in the Cyprus Problem.

Evaluating the EU Commission’s progress report on Turkey, Mr Ercakica said the call made in the report for Ankara to ‘normalize’ its relations with the Greek Cypriot Administration was damaging the negotiations process.

Touching upon Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou’s visit to South Cyprus, he said despite the Greek premier’s positive contributions to improving Turco-Greek relations, the aim of his visit was to determine how to use their respective EU memberships to exert pressure on the Turkish Side.

Referring to statements made by Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias during the visit, he criticized the Greek Cypriot Leader for his words that if there was no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, they would embark an international campaign so that the world community would pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures, saying that the statement was contradicting with his calls for a `Cypriot solution`.

Stating that there were important lessons both Greece and the Greek Cypriot Side needed to derive from Turkey’s progress report, Ercakica said “the Greek Cypriots who were expecting the EU to impose punitive sanctions against Turkey ended by being disappointed”
He said that the Greek Cypriot Side should focus its energy towards reaching a settlement rather than trying to corner Turkey.

Halil, I can feel the hot air, all the way in Londonistan.

Hot air? That's the luke-warm and malodorous smell of BayCrap's propagandising ferting you getting mate.

I knew it wasn't me, I have my bath once a year whether I need one or not.

You've been to Halili's store in Ledras for perfume!

How did you know? it's called Pe-re-ja.

[Oracle]

"Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??"

That is the purpose of the cross communal voting, to stop either motherland from having undue political influence in the choice of the two leaders.

Which is precisely why Turkey will turn these proposals down ...

What if Turkey does not turn them down? It seems it will be turned down by some GC political parties even before it was evaluated and examined by TCs and Turkey. Does that mean those GC political parties have the same worries that u claim Turkey had and therefore they reacted against the proposal of Rotating presidency with weighted, cross voting method?

Again, you overestimate Turkey!

Turkey has the brain of a lobotomised sparrow!

[Tony-4497]

What’s important is that anyone elected to power can come up with any kind of rubbish they want… but what ends up getting approved and implemented is a different story altogether.

Agreed. However, what Christofias is doing is dangerous. He is labouring under the illusion that he can "sell" the Annan plan to GCs (i.e. cement the Yes - which he had initially said at AKEL's internal voting).

When GCs reject this slightly revised Annan plan, despite its approval by the President and the latter's warnings for catastrophic consequences if rejected, there will be a significant adverse impact on the RoC (not catastrophic, but still significant).

[Tony-4497]

"Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??"

That is the purpose of the cross communal voting, to stop either motherland from having undue political influence in the choice of the two leaders.

If you believe that the TC President will not be FULLY controlled by Turkey, then you do not understand much about the composition of the "TC" population post-solution (i.e. settlers will be a majority) or the role that the TC community has played in Cyprus throughout its (short) history on the island - or Turkey's history for that matter.

Your views on this are clearly shared by Christofias, which is the worrying part.

[Kifeas]

.. to accept rotating Presidency??

- This was part of the Annan plan and was rejected by 76% of GCs.

- It is against fundamental human rights (equality of all citizens, no discrimination in voting power on the basis of ethnic origin)

- His intention to accept this was NOT part of his manifesto at the recent elections (had it been, there is no chance he would have been elected or supported by DIKO, EDEK etc)

Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??

Rotating presidency by itself, is not against fundamental human rights, and is not discrimination on the basis of ethnic origin, provided is done on the basis of actual demographic facts and balances. From the moment our side accepted political equality of the two communities (and it has also become part of the UN SC resolutions,) it has no choice other than to accept rotating presidency as well. What we should discuss is why Christofias has proposed a 4:2 term ratio, instead of a 4:1 which is the real representative ratio of the two communities. The 4:2 ratio violates the political equality of the citizens, because it gives a much higher probability to a TC to represent his/her country as president, than it gives to a GC. This is what you should shout, scream and yell about, and not rotating presidency itself, especially if elections are to be carried out in a cross voting pattern, as it is proposed.