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[insan]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

He was not authorised to propose it by other GC political parties but his intention is obviously to convince them to authorise such a proposal that really has good merits regarding the "political equality of 2 communities" and a genuine reunification of Cyprus. If his proposal is accepted by TC side what he will do? Tell us, "sorry, other GC political aprties don't authorise me so that I have to withdraw my proposal"? This is funny!

Cleverer than that, insan. Because this proposal, of a rotating Presidency will be turned down (i.e. not authorised) by .... TURKEY! Why would Turkey care whether the TCs have a few years of "running" Cyprus?

So, it can be looked at as a "proposal" ... but Turkey wants more! (This is where the EU steps in).

Rotating presidency and Vice Presidency had already been authorised by TCs and Turkey; besides GC administration. GC leadership came with a counter proposal for rotating Presidency and Vice presidency that forsees election of President and VP with weighted GC+TC vote. This is what both sides neogotiate regarding rotating presidency... We very well know that u and ur alikes r against anything based on "political equality of 2 communities".

[Get Real!]

.. to accept rotating Presidency??

- This was part of the Annan plan and was rejected by 76% of GCs.

- It is against fundamental human rights (equality of all citizens, no discrimination in voting power on the basis of ethnic origin)

- His intention to accept this was NOT part of his manifesto at the recent elections (had it been, there is no chance he would have been elected or supported by DIKO, EDEK etc)

Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??

What’s important is that anyone elected to power can come up with any kind of rubbish they want… but what ends up getting approved and implemented is a different story altogether.

[Nikitas]

"Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??"

That is the purpose of the cross communal voting, to stop either motherland from having undue political influence in the choice of the two leaders.

[Oracle]

"Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??"

That is the purpose of the cross communal voting, to stop either motherland from having undue political influence in the choice of the two leaders.

Which is precisely why Turkey will turn these proposals down ...

[bill cobbett]

Dear Pres X,

You have now proposed two major concessions, the long-standing BBF and now a Rotating Blooming Presidency.

But Insane doesn't think a Rotating Presidency is a concession.

Demilitarization of Cyprus will probably be another concession.

Quite possibly mate/matess. Demil. is on the cards as well.

There has already been a Third Proposed Concession from Pres X to add to proposedt BBF and proposed rotating Presidency and that is that ....

Proposal that up to 50,000 Illegals can stay.

Again, where are the concessions from Turkey? Where is Talat's Good Faith at the Table?

[insan]

"Has he even stopped to think what it would mean to have for 2 years in every term a Cyprus President that is fully controlled by Turkey??"

That is the purpose of the cross communal voting, to stop either motherland from having undue political influence in the choice of the two leaders.

Which is precisely why Turkey will turn these proposals down ...

What if Turkey does not turn them down? It seems it will be turned down by some GC political parties even before it was evaluated and examined by TCs and Turkey. Does that mean those GC political parties have the same worries that u claim Turkey had and therefore they reacted against the proposal of Rotating presidency with weighted, cross voting method?

[-mikkie2-]

There seems to be a lot of confusion with semantics.

The current constitution allows for a President (GC) and a Vice President (TC) under a system of proportional representation. Unfortunately, this means nothing because the VP currently has veto rights over pretty much everything and thats what lead to all the deadlocks that led to the mess we are now in.

With a rotating presidency, each community will have a say in who is elected by the other community so in that sense legitimacy is then given to both posts by all Cypriots, all be it in a weighted manner.

So in light of this, its debatable if the old system is better than the proposed rotating presidency system as some would claim. If veto right is removed then rotating presidency system may have more legitimacy.

[Jerry]

There are one or two Turkish Cypriots on this forum who, if proposed but not authorised, would make excellent fair minded Presidents (if they were politically inclined). Would Cypriots ever accept a TC woman as President?

It's an odd term "Rotating President", would he need to be a Whirling Dervish or a seller of doner kebabs.

[YFred]

There are one or two Turkish Cypriots on this forum who, if proposed but not authorised, would make excellent fair minded Presidents (if they were politically inclined). Would Cypriots ever accept a TC woman as President?

It's an odd term "Rotating President", would he need to be a Whirling Dervish or a seller of doner kebabs.

Presumably GC woman is also acceptable. She could be a belly dancer too. If Oracle can do it, she is excluded on account that she is more of a man than most GC men Inc GR.

Rotating presidency is the norm these days, we are in the EU boys. How come in the EU it is shared equally and not in Cyprus then? Not being very Europeans are we boys and girls?

[halil]

Talat and Christofias will meet again tomorrow to continue their discussions .

`Executive` and `Foreign Relations` are expected to be high on the agenda of tomorrow’s meeting.

The meeting will start at 3 o’clock in the afternoon ,Talat and Christofias are expected to finalize discussions on “executive” and “foreign relations” at tomorrow’s meeting and to move on to the topic of “property” on Thursday.


Before the meeting TRNC president Talat said today ;

THE CYPRUS PROBLEM WILL BE SOLVED WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW PARTNERSHIP.

Talat has said that it is out of question for the TC People to accept to be patched up to the so-called Republic of Cyprus, which is making its best for the continuation of the isolation on them.A solution will be brought to the Cyprus problem with the establishment of a partnership on the basis of political equality of the Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples.

while preperation goes on for tomorow meeting TRNC PM EROGLU CALLED ON PAPANDREOU TO COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT CYPRUS TURKISH PEOPLE HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS.

Eroglu has accused the new Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou of coming on top of the political leaders trying to impose Greek Cypriot sovereignty across Cyprus.

Mr. Papandreou “come to terms” with the fact that Turkish Cypriots have equal rights to those enjoyed by Greek Cypriots.“If - what Mr. Papandreou wants - is peace on the island, he must understand this” said by Eroglu.

Mr. Eroglu said that the Greek Prime Minister, instead of taking a path aimed at “encouraging the Greek Cypriot side and the Church towards intransigence,” should, - for the sake of conciliation - concede that the Turkish Cypriot side has a just case.

“Although he may find it difficult to tell this to the Greek Cypriots openly, he may, at least, adopt a new approach that takes Turkish Cypriot side’s equal status into consideration” he said.

The TRNC Prime Minister reminded that - at the end of the day, Mr. Papandreou is a Greek Prime Minister - one of many, who have, in the past, encouraged and supported Greek Cypriot intransigence, and even helped a former Greek Cypriot leader Mr. Kyprianou to leave the negotiating table at the last moment as he was about to sign a settlement deal with the Turkish Cypriot side.

Air is getting hotter than hot in Cyprus !