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[Tony-4497]

Strange I thought he was elected Muhtariko and he could agree on whatever he liked? Subject to a referendum of course.

He was elected Muhtar on the basis of his manifesto, which stated he would negotiate a solution that does NOT allow deviations from fundamental human rights, EU principles etc etc and that he would respect the decision of the GC people to bury the Annan plan. DIKO and EDEK voted for him on this basis and gave him the presidency (he actually came second in the first round of the elections).

His acceptance of the long-standing Turkish demand for rotating presidency clearly violates the above - especially as DIKO & EDEK are strongly against this.

Further, with his main argument, i.e. that this was part of the various versions of the Annan plan, or even "accepted" by others before him, he is spitting in the face of the 76% of GCs who buried this plan and cannot accept that the starting point of the negotiations is in fact the (dead and rotting) Annan plan.

[Oracle]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

He was not authorised to propose it by other GC political parties but his intention is obviously to convince them to authorise such a proposal that really has good merits regarding the "political equality of 2 communities" and a genuine reunification of Cyprus. If his proposal is accepted by TC side what he will do? Tell us, "sorry, other GC political aprties don't authorise me so that I have to withdraw my proposal"? This is funny!

Cleverer than that, insan. Because this proposal, of a rotating Presidency will be turned down (i.e. not authorised) by .... TURKEY! Why would Turkey care whether the TCs have a few years of "running" Cyprus?

So, it can be looked at as a "proposal" ... but Turkey wants more! (This is where the EU steps in).

[denizaksulu]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

You said he hadf not referred to this but it is as clear as daylight that he did.

Please stay in context. I said he had NOT referred to any authorisation. They can bring up as many potential options as they like but that is not authorisation. It was insan who later brought up a load of proposals as though they were authorisations.

Please go back to the beginning and re-read the thread title to which I was replying ....

I refer to your statement. I knew you would TRY to wriggle out of it. He did say it a while back and did say it will go to a referandum. Thats when I gave up reading politicians statements.

[Lit]

Dear Pres X,

You have now proposed two major concessions, the long-standing BBF and now a Rotating Blooming Presidency.

But Insane doesn't think a Rotating Presidency is a concession.

Demilitarization of Cyprus will probably be another concession.

[Oracle]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

R u sure?

Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2 ... us.doc.htm

Speaking to the press on Friday, Mr Stefanou said “initially the revised proposal does not alter the substance of the proposal that has been submitted on the issue of rotating presidency, foreseeing a Greek Cypriot President for four years and a Turkish Cypriot for two years, thus the total term will be six years. The proposal foresaw, before the revision of some elements of this proposal, that the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots would vote for both the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot, with an upgrading of the vote of the Turkish Cypriots at the elections for the Greek Cypriot, from a joint ballot, namely a joint ballot for the candidate President and the candidate Vice-President and a joint electoral register.

The revised proposal foresees – again in the framework of the rotating presidency – the joint electoral register but without a joint ballot. Anyone can be a candidate, and at the same time the Greek Cypriots will vote for the Greek Cypriot normally and they will also vote for the Turkish Cypriot normally except, due to the big numerical differences, in order not to have the will and the view of the Greek Cypriots imposed through their vote on who will be the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President, there will be a weighing of the Greek Cypriot vote only for the election of the Turkish Cypriot at the same percentage used when Turkish Cypriots will be voting for the Greek Cypriot. Namely, if the Turkish Cypriots will represent the 20% at the joint electoral register, that 20% will be voting for the Greek Cypriot as well. The Greek Cypriot vote for the election of only the Turkish Cypriot will be weighed in at the same percentage. This proposal is the same with the one made after the unanimous proposals in 1989, with the only difference that in the proposal then there was constantly a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President. Besides that, everything else is exactly the same”.

http://www.isria.com/pages/20_October_2009_76.php#

So, when does a proposal become an authorisation?

Keep wishing ....

You said he hadf not referred to this but it is as clear as daylight that he did.

Please stay in context. I said he had NOT referred to any authorisation. They can bring up as many potential options as they like but that is not authorisation. It was insan who later brought up a load of proposals as though they were authorisations.

Please go back to the beginning and re-read the thread title to which I was replying ....

I refer to your statement. I knew you would TRY to wriggle out of it. He did say it a while back and did say it will go to a referandum. Thats when I gave up reading politicians statements.

My statement is right above Deniz, and I am sorry you do not understand .....

If I said X did not refer to "this" in any of his speeches and the thread title is about "authorisation" then most people would realise the pronoun "this" indicated the authorisation!

[denizaksulu]

This is what was said, that he proposed it;

'President Christofias said the difference with the past was that he wished to resolve the problems with the Turkish Cypriots, whom he respected as citizens of Cyprus, and with whom he wished to share the nation on the basis of equality. Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

What part did I NOT UNDERSTAND?

(from the above link)

[Oracle]

This is what was said, that he proposed it;

'President Christofias said the difference with the past was that he wished to resolve the problems with the Turkish Cypriots, whom he respected as citizens of Cyprus, and with whom he wished to share the nation on the basis of equality. Calling for mutual respect, he said he had proposed a United Federal State of Cyprus with a rotating presidency from either the Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot side, and a President and Vice-President elected by the Cypriot population as a whole. He said he would continue to strive for rapprochement and confidence-building measures.

What part did I NOT UNDERSTAND?

(from the above link)

You do not understand the difference between "proposed" and what the thread is about ... which is "authorisation" for accepting such an option!

[Oracle]

dp

[insan]

Christofias has not referred to this in any of his speeches so I don't think he has accepted any such condition. It's only part of the circulating rumours of potential options.

Besides, it wouldn't be approved by the EU ...

What such condition u think he didn't accept? What wouldn't be accepted by EU? Ok, let's clarify what our little fly girl meant...

[Lit]

dp

Uh ohh, Deniz, don't do it. Even if Oracle is wrong, you can not win this.

Back away slowly and go back to playing with GR!. Quickly, tell him what a good little Cherickidian he is! Yeah, maybe GR will start another anti-Hellenic thread for you if you do....

Its the little things in life that bring real joy, right Deniz?