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Can Turkey annex the occupied territory of Cyprus?

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Postby insan » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:53 pm

B25 wrote:
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insan wrote:First of all; why Turkey or TCs shall look for annexation and not an independent state in full cooperation and collaboration with each other?


Insan, I thought that is what you had presently??? Or are you saying you are not indipendent??

Furthermore, Turkey is not interested in what the TCs think nor want, she just wants to make north Cyprus Turkish so she can control the waterways between the two, have a foot hold in Cyprus and claim it is for national defence whilst at the same time have somewhere to 'dump' her trash of people she doesn't want at home.

Well hello, I hope you will be very happy living in a future unrecognised shithole, all thanks to your wonderful motherland Turkey. Hip hip hooray!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Turkish officials r not as stupid as u, reh guvello! :lol: They would prefer an independent TRNC in full cooperation and collaboration primarily with Turkey and secondarily all allies of TCs and Turks. :wink: The rest of ur post is pure galimatias. :lol: Together with Turkey we r strong not Hellenists like u. :lol:


Yes, Yes, dream on, as if Turkey would give you the power to be independent.

35 years on and she is still paying (oops bribing) you, so get you finger out of your arse reh guvello (whatever that means) and take note.

Either way matey you are fucked.

Or you could do what every other minority does the world over and joing the majority in a democratic way where every one rights are protected or you can just continue to be out laws. Your choice.

You know I am talking sense, right?? You are just to damn stubborn to admit you are about to be shafted. Enjoy :lol: :lol: :lol:


When 2 sides r in full cooperation and collaboration, there's no sense of giving or taking power. That's what u r not aware of; therefore all ur assumptions r baseless.

No u don't make any sense... I'm well aware and sure of that neither the Hellenistic solution thesis nor the Turkish solution thesis r satisfactory for both sides. Moreover, for abt 60 years they couldn't have managed to come to a common ground that would be satisffactory and acceptable at least majority of people of each sides.

Since the past 60+ years prove that despite all efforts both sides couldn't find a common ground; what's the point still insisting on talks and negotiations to reach a joint agreement regarding reunification? Pointless!

Waging a militray conflict to solve the Cyprus problem is totally senseless, idiotic and unrealistic unless a WW3 erupts. What has remained us to talk and negotiate? Partition ofc...

After the partition of Cyprus; enhancing democracy, human rights and bring the justice to our people r all our job. U r welcomed to contribute their development but I'm sure some political groups of GCs would still exert to destabilize TC people for their self-interests and interests of Hellenism.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:20 pm

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B25 wrote:yes, but will that stop them?

They don't give a hoot about any of the other laws thus broken, why should it bother them now?

Well, we will have to wait and see, otherwise it is just the Turks threats AGAIN!

How many you got on your list so far?? Count me in.

We may have to be the surgeon ourselves :wink:

You’re missing the whole point here. It’s always important to be able to identity what is LEGALLY POSSIBLE and what is NOT under international law! The definition for annexation itself starts with…

“Annexation is the legal incorporation…”

…note the key word “LEGAL”. Therefore, annexation cannot be conducted illegally and still be called an “annexation”! In other words, there are no loopholes and all Turkey can possibly do is further worsen her standing with bogus ceremonies and such which I doubt she will ever engage in.

What’s important is that no UN member can possibly recognize any Turkish tomfoolery that may mimic "annexation".


Can the UN not pass a resoultion that amends or overturns previous resolutions, especially when a paradigm of 35 years' standing has proven fruitless?


In theory it may pass such a resolution, but in practice it is impossible. Cyprus, besides a UN member, it is also an EU member state, with all its territory under the sovereignty of the RoC, as per the 2003 EU Treaty of Accession which has been signed by every single EU member state -including two (UK and France) which are also permanent UN SC members. None of the above two UN SC permanent members can vote in favor of such an amended UN resolution, without at the same time violating the EU Treaty of Accession and placing a legal and political megaton bomb in the very foundations of the EU itself. Besides the two permanent UN SC members’ contractual obligations to respect and honor RoC sovereignty, stemming from its EU membership; the UK has additional contractual obligations stemming from the 1960 treaties, which prohibit partition of Cyprus. The UK cannot violate these treaties either, without putting at the same time the legal status of its bases in Cyprus on pure thin air.

I deliberately left Russian and China out of the discussion, even though each of them has its own reasons not to look favorably to such a hypothetical UN resolution.
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:51 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
B25 wrote:yes, but will that stop them?

They don't give a hoot about any of the other laws thus broken, why should it bother them now?

Well, we will have to wait and see, otherwise it is just the Turks threats AGAIN!

How many you got on your list so far?? Count me in.

We may have to be the surgeon ourselves :wink:

You’re missing the whole point here. It’s always important to be able to identity what is LEGALLY POSSIBLE and what is NOT under international law! The definition for annexation itself starts with…

“Annexation is the legal incorporation…”

…note the key word “LEGAL”. Therefore, annexation cannot be conducted illegally and still be called an “annexation”! In other words, there are no loopholes and all Turkey can possibly do is further worsen her standing with bogus ceremonies and such which I doubt she will ever engage in.

What’s important is that no UN member can possibly recognize any Turkish tomfoolery that may mimic "annexation".


Can the UN not pass a resoultion that amends or overturns previous resolutions, especially when a paradigm of 35 years' standing has proven fruitless?


In theory it may pass such a resolution, but in practice it is impossible. Cyprus, besides a UN member, it is also an EU member state, with all its territory under the sovereignty of the RoC, as per the 2003 EU Treaty of Accession which has been signed by every single EU member state -including two (UK and France) which are also permanent UN SC members. None of the above two UN SC permanent members can vote in favor of such an amended UN resolution, without at the same time violating the EU Treaty of Accession and placing a legal and political megaton bomb in the very foundations of the EU itself. Besides the two permanent UN SC members’ contractual obligations to respect and honor RoC sovereignty, stemming from its EU membership; the UK has additional contractual obligations stemming from the 1960 treaties, which prohibit partition of Cyprus. The UK cannot violate these treaties either, without putting at the same time the legal status of its bases in Cyprus on pure thin air.

I deliberately left Russian and China out of the discussion, even though each of them has its own reasons not to look favorably to such a hypothetical UN resolution.

What happens if TCs in a fair vote, actually vote for anexation? will the roc crush the rebelion?
What then?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:58 pm

YFred wrote:What happens if TCs in a fair vote, actually vote for anexation?

It’s always funny to see Turkish Cypriots today think/behave exactly the same as Greek Cypriots were behaving 60 years ago!

What do you think the ENOSIS movement was all about? Annexation with Greece! :lol:

will the roc crush the rebelion?
What then?

A vote under what government? And whoever said a minority group has the right to annex other people's properties? :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:00 pm

If you want to annex something Y-Fronts, you’d be well advised to OWN it first! :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:03 pm

YFred wrote:What happens if TCs in a fair vote,


:lol: ... Piss off .... you are the least significant factor!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:05 pm

Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:What happens if TCs in a fair vote,


:lol: ... Piss off .... you are the least significant factor!

It’s one of the dumbest things he’s ever written!

He wants to transfer ownership (annex) of properties (territory) that doesn’t even belong to him in a “fair vote”!!! Image
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:What happens if TCs in a fair vote, actually vote for anexation?

It’s always funny to see Turkish Cypriots today think/behave exactly the same as Greek Cypriots were behaving 60 years ago!

What do you think the ENOSIS movement was all about? Annexation with Greece! :lol:

will the roc crush the rebelion?
What then?

A vote under what government? And whoever said a minority group has the right to annex other people's properties? :lol:

Your ideas of human rights are medieval dear boy, back to school.
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:09 pm

Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:What happens if TCs in a fair vote,


:lol: ... Piss off .... you are the least significant factor!

Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:15 pm

YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:What happens if TCs in a fair vote,


:lol: ... Piss off .... you are the least significant factor!

Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

That must be his powermove! :? :lol:
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