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[Tim Drayton]

I cannot claim to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject. However, this summer I visited the architectural site at Amathous, which was once the centre of one of the old Cypriot kingdoms. According to the potted history displayed at this site, this town was apparently founded by indigenous Cypriots who had been displaced from Paphos by the Myceneans.

Thanks Tim, but if it’s not written in the Greek “history” (read mythology) books… Piratis wouldn’t touch it!

Isn't the Cyprus Tourism Organisation 'official' enough?

[Get Real!]

I cannot claim to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject. However, this summer I visited the architectural site at Amathous, which was once the centre of one of the old Cypriot kingdoms. According to the potted history displayed at this site, this town was apparently founded by indigenous Cypriots who had been displaced from Paphos by the Myceneans.

Thanks Tim, but if it’s not written in the Greek “history” (read mythology) books… Piratis wouldn’t touch it!

Isn't the Cyprus Tourism Organisation 'official' enough?

It’s funny you bring that up… I was just reading a couple of days ago about how tourism organizations on Cyprus pervert history to market what’s in their financial and political interests. It was about how the Roman conquest of Cyprus is being portrayed by GCs (“continuation of Hellenism”) as opposed to TCs (“Harsh invaders”) !

[Piratis]

I posted to you 4 facts. Anybody reading this thread can easily confirm all 4 of them and everything else I said.

It seems you put your political agenda higher than the truth and as I told you before that is the wrong way to go about it. You should find a way to promote your aims for the future that does not conflict with the truth about the past. Saying nonsense such as that the Cypriots invented the Greek language, or that Cyprus had some greater civilization of that of the Myceneans etc, discredits you and subsequently discredits your political objectives. You are entitled to want a different future for Cyprus but you can not build that future by falsifying the past.

Indigenous people were here before the Mycenaeans. Mycenaeans were a more advanced civilization than the locals. Mycenaeans came and they eventually enslaved and assimilated the indigenous groups with overwhelming population. Hate to admit it but Piratis is right.

At the time the Mycenaeans first came to Cyprus about 3500 years ago the population of the whole world was less than 50 million people, that means 150 times less than it is now. Cyprus was mostly uninhabited back then. The Mycenaeans created their own city states on uninhabited land. Some small groups did come to Cyprus before the Mycenaeans but what makes them more Indigenous than the Mycenaeans? They all came from somewhere else, nobody grew out of the land of Cyprus. Both the Mycenaeans, those other small groups before them, and some that came after (like the Phoenicians) were indigenous to Cyprus because they were the first to create settlements on previously uninhabited territory. (remember that there were no countries or empires back then. Each village or city state just owned the territory around the village).

The Mycenaeans were indeed the first to settle on most areas of Cyprus, and they were more populous. But they didn't "enslave" anybody in Cyprus. When these city states were eventually united under some foreign empires, the population of Cyprus mixed together and since the majority were Greeks the rest gradually assimilated (which is perfectly natural)

On the other hand the Turks came here as invaders empire builders, killing 10s of thousands of people and stealing what others before them created.

The Mycenaeans were a war-loving culture, whose conquests via their naval fleets no doubt aided in their efforts to build a vast trade network. They succeeded in this, and were able to import metals not available in their home region, such as gold and bronze. With these metals, they were able to become accomplished metalworkers, fashioning fantastic pieces of jewelry, funerary masks, and of course, weaponry.

http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/arti ... mycenaeans

Piratis, r u sure of that "the war loving" Mycenaeans didn't wage a war against existing aborginal nations of Cyprus when they first stepped into the island? Do u think the already existed aborginal nations of Cyprus welcomed the war loving Mycenaeans? And do u think instead looting, usurping the already existed settlements in Cyprus, Mycenaeeans immediately built their own? It's irrational.

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The Mycenaeans were as aboriginal as any of the other first people to settle in Cyprus. Everybody came to Cyprus from somewhere, nobody grew out of the land here.

It might be irrational for you because you always think in terms of looting and usurping since that is all your nation has done so far. The Greeks have done many wars, but they also created things, like city states and a whole civilization.

[Get Real!]

Speak of the devil! The master of mythology has arrived!

[insan]

The Battles of
Aloessa (Cyprus)
(1250-1210 BC)
Hittites vs. Mycenaeans

By Stefanos Skarmintzos

Background Resources
Hans Goterbock: The Hittite conquest of Cyprus reconsidered, Journal
Near Eastern Studies, 1967

Eric A. Cline: A possible Hittite Embargo against the Mycenaeans, 1991

The Trojan War was made famous by Homer but it was just one of the conflicts that brought about the end of the Bronze Age. After wasting its resources in the epic battle of Kadesh, the Hittite Empire started feeling pressure from the Assyrians. The Hittite Emperor Tutaliyia (Tudhaliya IV) ordered an embargo in all the ports of his domains and expelled the Minoans from Alassiya (Cyprus) to prevent the Assyrians from getting resources. Facing financial ruin the Achaeans Greeks re-conquered Cyprus and started a series of shore raids to dismantle the Hittite Empire. This perhaps was the origin of the Sea Peoples.

The Armies
1st phase (Hittite Invasion of Cyprus)

Hittite Empire (DBA I/24)

Minoan and Early Mycenaean (DBA I/18)

2nd phase (Achaean coastal raiding)

Later Mycenaean and Trojan War (DBA I/26)

Hittite Empire (DBA I/24)

Deployment
On the first phase the Hittite is the attacker/invader. In the second phase the Mycenaean is the attacker/invader.

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/battles/Aloessa/index.html


Hittite god fighting the Minoan griffin, from frieze at Engome (Enkomi), Cyprus

[Piratis]

Speak of the devil! The master of mythology has arrived!

Says the one who has created his own Mythology about some great ancient Cypriot civilization

[Piratis]

I cannot claim to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject. However, this summer I visited the architectural site at Amathous, which was once the centre of one of the old Cypriot kingdoms. According to the potted history displayed at this site, this town was apparently founded by indigenous Cypriots who had been displaced from Paphos by the Myceneans.

Thanks Tim, but if it’s not written in the Greek “history” (read mythology) books… Piratis wouldn’t touch it!

A moment ago you were saying that the fact that Myceneans came to Cyprus is a myth

[Lit]

Fresh reading. A peak at RoC's Cultural Heritage - published in 2008. Hosted on the Republic of Cyprus, Ministry of Interior, Press and Information Office web site:

Cyprus, A Historical Overview (5.17 MB, 2008) in PDF format

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

[Get Real!]

The Mycenaeans were as aboriginal as any of the other first people to settle in Cyprus.

Piratis, takes mythology to new heights!

Not only does he not care that his whole theory hangs by a narrative (a manufactured story) but now he is even claiming that the mythological arrival of Greeks is an indigenous one!!!

Think of the repercussions of such a statement… the island of Cyprus was empty so everything before that never took place, effectively making Cypriots TOTALLY non-existent!

That’s what I call a Cypriot patriot!

[Lit]

The Mycenaeans were as aboriginal as any of the other first people to settle in Cyprus.

Piratis, takes mythology to new heights!

Not only does he not care that his whole theory hangs by a narrative (a manufactured story) but now he is even claiming that the mythological arrival of Greeks is an indigenous one!!!

Think of the repercussions of such a statement… the island of Cyprus was empty so everything before that never took place, effectively making Cypriots TOTALLY non-existent!

That’s what I call a Cypriot patriot!

ROTFLMAO! Lets all be like GR! the wacky so called Cherickidian and proclaim that modern humans originated in Cyprus oh about 200,000 years ago. Ya?! From Cyprus we went on to colonize the world!!

what a box head