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[Cap]

Turkish cypriots should do the same.

[YFred]

From page 128 of volume 10 of Rauf Denktash's memoirs (thanks to YFreddo's childhood mate for including it in one of his books):

One day I was in Limnitis. I noticed an old man in the coffee house who remained silent and did not answer my questions. I asked if he was deaf. It seemed that because he did not speak Turkish he had been fined several times and now when strangers came he sat in silence without talking.

(My translation)

There was nothing so-called about this ban; Denktash himself speaks of it in his memoirs.

Who is YFreddo and when did he write a book old chap?

He didn't but a refugee from Potamya who went to school with him has written several quite good ones.

No it makes sense. You mean NK who described Lurucina as Ghetto, the little ungrateful sod

I do not think he would say that about Richmond-on-Thames.

Tim you've been away too long from UK mate. It's Richmond-Upon-Thames don't you know?

[Tim Drayton]

From page 128 of volume 10 of Rauf Denktash's memoirs (thanks to YFreddo's childhood mate for including it in one of his books):

One day I was in Limnitis. I noticed an old man in the coffee house who remained silent and did not answer my questions. I asked if he was deaf. It seemed that because he did not speak Turkish he had been fined several times and now when strangers came he sat in silence without talking.

(My translation)

There was nothing so-called about this ban; Denktash himself speaks of it in his memoirs.

Who is YFreddo and when did he write a book old chap?

He didn't but a refugee from Potamya who went to school with him has written several quite good ones.

No it makes sense. You mean NK who described Lurucina as Ghetto, the little ungrateful sod

I do not think he would say that about Richmond-on-Thames.

Tim you've been away too long from UK mate. It's Richmond-Upon-Thames don't you know?

So I have.

[Piratis]

OK Tim u show us where in the world other cultures does not get affected from other cultures ?

One thing is the natural process that happens everywhere, and another is banning TCs to speak Greek, or ban the TC dialect from TV.

What abt systematic re-hellenization of GCs after the Greek independence war? U again r mixing ur nuts with our pirillis. During the spread of nationalism movement almost all ethnic groups on this planet earth did this or that to get rid of previously imposed and/or alienated elements in their ethnic group... Moreover u r still trying to distort the truth regarding the so-called banning TCs to speak Greek and recommendation to TC mass media avoid corrupting TC dialect.

Cypriots were never "de-hellenized" to need any "re-hellenization". The people of Cyprus, like all other Greeks and many other nations had been under a foreign empire and they revolted seeking their freedom.

Our language is a Greek dialect, and this is the case for 1000s of years. On the other hand the language of many Muslim Cypriots had been Greek, not Turkish, and the rest of them spoke Greek in additional to Turkish. Banning from these Muslim Cypriots to speak Greek was necessary to make them "real Turks".

Also, the Greek Cypriot dialect is recognized and respected by all Greeks. There was never an attempt to ban our dialect. On the other hand it seems that Turkey does not consider the TC dialect as a true Turkish dialect, and they want to forcefully replace it with standard Turkish.

Here is George Dalaras, one of the most prominent singers of Greece, singing in Cypriot dialect in a concert he gave in Paris in 1996.

[insan]

OK Tim u show us where in the world other cultures does not get affected from other cultures ?

One thing is the natural process that happens everywhere, and another is banning TCs to speak Greek, or ban the TC dialect from TV.

What abt systematic re-hellenization of GCs after the Greek independence war? U again r mixing ur nuts with our pirillis. During the spread of nationalism movement almost all ethnic groups on this planet earth did this or that to get rid of previously imposed and/or alienated elements in their ethnic group... Moreover u r still trying to distort the truth regarding the so-called banning TCs to speak Greek and recommendation to TC mass media avoid corrupting TC dialect.

Cypriots were never "de-hellenized" to need any "re-hellenization". The people of Cyprus, like all other Greeks and many other nations had been under a foreign empire and they revolted seeking their freedom.

Our language is a Greek dialect, and this is the case for 1000s of years. On the other hand the language of many Muslim Cypriots had been Greek, not Turkish, and the rest of them spoke Greek in additional to Turkish. Banning from these Muslim Cypriots to speak Greek was necessary to make them "real Turks".

Also, the Greek Cypriot dialect is recognized and respected by all Greeks. There was never an attempt to ban our dialect. On the other hand it seems that Turkey does not consider the TC dialect as a true Turkish dialect, and they want to forcefully replace it with standard Turkish.

Here is George Dalaras, one of the most prominent singers of Greece, singing in Cypriot dialect in a concert he gave in Paris in 1996.

Piratis, before the spread of nationalism which was brought by mainland Greeks into GC community; GCs were an Orthodox-centric religious community. I doubt even if u were aware of ur Greekness or cared abt it before Greek independence war. After the Greek independence war u began getting aware of ur Greekness beside ur Orthodoxy. During the British rule the teachers that were sent by Greece contributed a lot to ur education and restoration of ur Greek national idendity.... According to Cypriot nationalist these were constituting a systematic assimilation of Greek speaking Cypriots; thus re-Hellenization Cyprus which in the mid-50s revealed itself as a desire to union with Greece.

[Oracle]

OK Tim u show us where in the world other cultures does not get affected from other cultures ?

One thing is the natural process that happens everywhere, and another is banning TCs to speak Greek, or ban the TC dialect from TV.

What abt systematic re-hellenization of GCs after the Greek independence war? U again r mixing ur nuts with our pirillis. During the spread of nationalism movement almost all ethnic groups on this planet earth did this or that to get rid of previously imposed and/or alienated elements in their ethnic group... Moreover u r still trying to distort the truth regarding the so-called banning TCs to speak Greek and recommendation to TC mass media avoid corrupting TC dialect.

Cypriots were never "de-hellenized" to need any "re-hellenization". The people of Cyprus, like all other Greeks and many other nations had been under a foreign empire and they revolted seeking their freedom.

Our language is a Greek dialect, and this is the case for 1000s of years. On the other hand the language of many Muslim Cypriots had been Greek, not Turkish, and the rest of them spoke Greek in additional to Turkish. Banning from these Muslim Cypriots to speak Greek was necessary to make them "real Turks".

Also, the Greek Cypriot dialect is recognized and respected by all Greeks. There was never an attempt to ban our dialect. On the other hand it seems that Turkey does not consider the TC dialect as a true Turkish dialect, and they want to forcefully replace it with standard Turkish.

Here is George Dalaras, one of the most prominent singers of Greece, singing in Cypriot dialect in a concert he gave in Paris in 1996.

Piratis, before the spread of nationalism which was brought by mainland Greeks into GC community; GCs were an Orthodox-centric religious community. I doubt even if u were aware of ur Greekness or cared abt it before Greek independence war. After the Greek independence war u began getting aware of ur Greekness beside ur Orthodoxy. During the British rule the teachers that were sent by Greece contributed a lot to ur education and restoration of ur Greek national idendity.... According to Cypriot nationalist these were constituting a systematic assimilation of Greek speaking Cypriots; thus re-Hellenization Cyprus which in the mid-50s revealed itself as a desire to union with Greece.

What you fail to comprehend, insan, is that Greece never "sent" anything or anyone to Cyprus for a mission; but the whole relationship between Greece and Cyprus was one of mutual reciprocation and as GR! will confirm, Cyprus was as fruitful to the development of Hellenism as "Greekdom" was to "Cypriotness"!

[YFred]

So tell me dearest how did 10 Thousand Spartans with pom poms materialise in Cyprus if they weren't sent to Cyprus by Greece. Or was that a magic trick?

[Oracle]

We're waiting ....

[Get Real!]

Cypriots were never "de-hellenized" to need any "re-hellenization". The people of Cyprus, like all other Greeks and many other nations had been under a foreign empire and they revolted seeking their freedom.

Greek schools have certainly done a great job Hellenizing you feeble brain Piratis, and I know you've graduated from Greek schools even though I've never met you because nobody could possibly talk with so much certainty over something based entirely on mythology!

Only a totally brainwashed individual could possibly swallow such a childish story onto which everything else is tied!

Our language is a Greek dialect, and this is the case for 1000s of years.

Are you sure it’s not the Greek language that’s a dialect of Cypriot?

Piratis, your stories are so dumb that they can't possibly convince a 5 year old...

A bunch of illiterates from Greece (Mycenaeans) somehow miraculously survive three months in the sea with no supplies (since they hastily sailed away fleeing the Dorian slaughter) and land 500 miles away on Cyprus, and instead of being assimilated and even made slaves by the literate locals who were already in an advanced state of civilization boasting their own temples, alphabet and language, the total illiterates take over the island and even invent their own language and convince the locals to abandon their ways and follow their now literate ways??? Start using your brain for Christ’s sake!

[Piratis]

Cypriots were never "de-hellenized" to need any "re-hellenization". The people of Cyprus, like all other Greeks and many other nations had been under a foreign empire and they revolted seeking their freedom.

Greek schools have certainly done a great job Hellenizing you feeble brain Piratis, and I know you've graduated from Greek schools even though I've never met you because nobody could possibly talk with so much certainty over something based entirely on mythology!

Only a totally brainwashed individual could possibly swallow such a childish story onto which everything else is tied!

The one who has created his own mythology is none else than you GR.

Language and culture is transmitted from generation to generation, from parent to child, even when no schools exist. But yes, schools are there to educate people, about their history among other things, something which several of the foreign oppressors did not allow as some of them indeed tried, and failed, to "de-hellenize" Cyprus.

You have apparently received British education which has absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Greek is probably not your first language either. So Culturally and Linguistically you are more British than Cypriot, and associating yourself with some long lost prehistoric village which you know nothing about does not make you any more Cypriot. So stop trying to pretend that you are more Cypriot than I am, because I will start to treat you in that way too, and believe me, I will have a lot more basis to do so.

Our language is a Greek dialect, and this is the case for 1000s of years.

Are you sure it’s not the Greek language that’s a dialect of Cypriot?

Piratis, your stories are so dumb that they can't possibly convince a 5 year old...

A bunch of illiterates from Greece (Mycenaeans) somehow miraculously survive three months in the sea with no supplies (since they hastily sailed away fleeing the Dorian slaughter) and land 500 miles away on Cyprus, and instead of being assimilated and even made slaves by the literate locals who were already in an advanced state of civilization boasting their own temples, alphabet and language, the total illiterates take over the island and even invent their own language and convince the locals to abandon their ways and follow their now literate ways??? Start using your brain for Christ’s sake!

GR, I use my brain, but unlike you I also know the correct historical facts.

So let me educate you a bit.

1) You are confusing writing systems with language. Writing systems are a relatively recent innovation of humans (less than 10.000 years), while language is something humans used from the beginning (about 200.000 years).

2) The Greek language (a branch of the Indo-European language) existed from before first Greeks came to Cyprus (since about 3000BC, while first Greeks in Cyprus were in 1500BC).

3) The first writing system for Greek was Linear B, and Linear B was not invented in Cyprus. The Cypriot syllabary derives from Linear B.

4) The Mycenaeans had a Civilization which was far more advanced than what we had in Cyprus at the time. The Mycenaeans were not illiterate as you claim. You are probably confused with the Greek Dark Ages, which came after the end of the Mycenaean Civilization at around 1200BC.

Enough for now And by the way, everything I said above is taught not just in Greek schools, but also in all major universities of the world.