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[Nikitas]

YFred said:

"Don't get me wrong, I agree with what is being said but the question is where would it lead to? "

Inevitably it would bring about cross communal political cooperation for the election of the two leaders. By extension it would diminish the influence of the "motherlands" in Cypriot politics. It would force the media of each side to look at the political goings on of the other side, which has not happened in the past. It will give prestige to the two leaders when dealing with the opposite "motherland". Turkey cannot easily dismiss a GC president who was elected with TC votes. Such a vote gives him the undeniable moral legitimacy.

Practically it would be hard for deadlocks to arise when both President and Vice President are elected on the same ticket and have similar political affiliation.

Against the system would be the lack of clear ethnic divisions which for some are a necessary element and give them a sense of security.

What is easily forgotten is the dynamic of the post settlement period. It is easy to assume that people will remain fixed in the ethnic and regional divides agreed in a settlement. I think that this is unrealistic. People move and try to find the best means to improve their lives. The idea that Karpasia will blossom into a wealthy tourist and industrial complex is a pipe dream. The traditional centers of wealth of the island will remain the same and that is where people will move. In one generation the population will be as interspersed as it was pre 1960.

From this point of view the election system will minimise the probability of tension, since all citizens will be involved in the choice of both leaders.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas, have you left out "bicommunal" on purpose or was it just a slip? I expect the TC side to give everything that the Annan Plan gave us (Varosia, Morphou etc) and take a favourable look at those points we raised in 2005, to make the plan more palatable to our side so that we can all vote for it.

Yes, I did leave "bi-communal" out on purpose, since I only spoke about favorable to the TCs departures from the 1960 setup; and since the 1960 setup was a bi-communal one, I do not consider it a departure in the same way that "bi-zonality" is.

Of course you must be joking when you mention that the TCs are giving out Varosia, Morphou, etc. Since when have they belonged to them in the first place, to be regarded as give-outs to the GCs? Where they TC territories under the 1960 unitary sate setup, to be now given as a balancing act towards what they GC are giving to them? Even the size of the TC administrating zone that we have accepted, which is much higher than the TC legitimate proportion, should be regarded as a favorable to the TCs give out, and now you talk to me about them giving us Varoshia and Morfou, which are of GC ownership (by vast majority) areas? And then you complain that GCs in this forum find your views provocative and outrageous.

Its called negotiating for what you lost control of...simple really but of course the blind cannot see.

In that sense, VP, you are also negotiating for the lost control of your statehood, identity, representation and legality in the face of the international community; as well as Turkey's EU accession membership. If they mean anything to you, and instead you prefer to remained isolated forever, and sucked for good and disappear in the ocean of your fellow Anatolian Turks.

We have shown that we can and will survive, even with 36% less of our country. You on the other hand, are just about to disappear from the face of earth as a Cypriot community.

The you are disappearing angle is wearing real thin as you conveniently forget that we are Turkish in origin...so its you that should be really worried about the rapid increase in the population northof the border plus no solution in sight in a few years you GCs will be begging for partition, will you want to unite with these "Turks"?

You are right that we to have negotiate for things that we lost...thats why our President is at the negotiating table. But never under estimate us we can survive preacefully for many years to come even if no solution is found, 35 years is proof enough.

We need people with vision and the desire to take the first steps necessary to kick start the process neither side will get everything they want and will need to compromise, thats the only way to move forward.

[repulsewarrior]

...changing demographics? what happens when cyprus becomes more integrated within the EU?
what happens when there are significantly more "others" who are not "Greek" or "Turkish"?
...or like VP suggests, will there be a continued drive by Turkey to make "Greek" a minority in Cyprus?

what does this voting scheme do to embrace a future not at all like the one we face today? Cypriots are not "Greeks" or "Turks", resisting this change cannot delay the inevitable...

to sustain "Greekness and Turkishness" requires a form of representation for citizens as Persons. However as Individuals our State must defend our Rights. three governmental bodies (or more); two levels of government are key to support the Principal of Bicommunality, which remains the basis of a Cypriot identity.

[B25]

To those GCs, who the hell are you to give to the dogs of the dark side a rotating presidency?? Give them that with Turkey on the door stop and we are all fucked.

Who are you to negotiate away our country to a bunch of criminals that know no bounds to breaking agreements, violating human decency and human rights.

Who can trust a Turk today?

You still don't get it, you are attempting to give up our country to a bully that will always be back for more.

I don't need to quote, articles, links, news sources, history, bottom line is, they are all here illegally, committed war crimes against humanity and the GCs and they need to be removed together with the traitaros GCs.

If they cannot accept to be in a minority thats their problem, they can stay and rot as they are, we won't be giving up this country to a bunch of bananiots.

We have the upper hand now and always and we will not yield to such blackmail tactics. Ask yourself this, would you want to live next to that poisonous VP, TMT fanatic Yfronts, Dreamer Insan, and F clown Zan??? Who all btw are probably sitting on stolen GC properties?

They know that their time is nigh and they are desperately trying to strike a bollocks deal with a few of our defeatists singing their chorus. Fuck them and as I was told earlier by another dreamer, go burn some turkish henna up your arses.

I will resist any attempt to bequith this GREEK nations to a bunch of mongols. Asirktir!

[Bananiot]

We know your kind B25, you do not need to constantly remind us.

[Gregory]

We know your kind B25, you do not need to constantly remind us.

B25 is pretty obvious in his objectives and tactics. There's a few others though that I'm having a lot of difficulty figuring out what their end goal is.

[B25]

We know your kind B25, you do not need to constantly remind us.

Good that you do, because there are a whole lot more like me than of you.

I will keep reminding you, because you think you are going to surrender our country to a bunch of anatolian peasants.

Have a good night

[yialousa1971]

We know your kind B25, you do not need to constantly remind us.

Shut up you idiot, go and have coffee with Halli bar bar, traitor!

[yialousa1971]

We know your kind B25, you do not need to constantly remind us.

B25 is pretty obvious in his objectives and tactics. There's a few others though that I'm having a lot of difficulty figuring out what their end goal is.

[Bananiot]

Let me help you out B25. I totally agree with Greek Premier George Papandreou on the Cyprus issue. In case you have some differences with "Yiorgaki" I will not accuse you of treason, for only fascists resort to such methods.