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[Oracle]

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... What makes the emergence of Cypriot Standard Greek of some interest is that it happened during a period when increased contact between Cyprus and Greece would have been more likely to lead to convergence rather than divergence between the two standards. ...

When was this?


... the differences between Standard Greek as used in Greece and Standard Greek as used in Cyprus and hence to the consolidation of the divergent features. ...

Again, she is presuming 10 Million Greeks in Greece all speak the same dialect variety of Standard Greek ... she should go down to the Mani!

[Oracle]

Nikitas, Oracle, Simon,

The best technical analysis and comparison of the two languages is the third link I posted… please study this if you find the time.


CYPRIOT AS A VOS LANGUAGE (V(erb) O(bject) S(ubject))

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/linguistics/ ... siliou.pdf

OK ... My last two posts were from the original (San Diego) thesis ... this one above seems to be by a different author. So, from the above link:

... first page:

... These examples indicate that the SVO structure of the Standard Greek (SG) written varietythe Cypriots use for their everyday written communication does not interfere with their
spoken VOS structure. ...

Major error! Transcripts of conversational dialect cannot be compared to the Standard in this way unless it is merely to (re) prove the point that in ALL languages the spoken and written dialects are syntactically and grammatically completely different from the Standard, and highly influenced by context.

The author seems to base the rest on a comparison between a few isolated verbal exchanges and the Standard.

I don't think this has any calibre ....

[Nikitas]

Oracle said:

"Again, she is presuming 10 Million Greeks in Greece all speak the same dialect variety of Standard Greek "

Very well observed.

I wonder what Aimilia Arvanit would make of the phrase: "kap kap kat kan gap gap". It is a phrase used in my presence in a car mechanics. What dialect is it? Is it intelligible to people outside the immediate vicinity of a central Greek city? Has she heard this dialect spoken in Kolonaki square?

[Nikitas]

Just read the sopposedly technical diatribe on Cypriot dialect. It confirms what I had thought, it was a good and clever, but not at all intelligent way to earn an American academic credit.

What part of the phrases Arvaniti used as examples would be unintelligible to Athenians?

She has her views which she is free to express. But the rest of us have our experiences which we have a right to assert. At a gathering of Atheninan lawyers, who had never had any contact with Cyprus or Cypriots before they met me I recited the Fourteen Gospels (Dekatessera Evangelia) and they all roared with laughter. And that is not an easy text to follow by any means.

GR, do you know the Fourteen Gospels? Can you tell us how the language differs from that used in Erotokritos, which is perfectly intelligible to mainlanders and has become a number one hit when sung by the late and great Xylouris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6GtOTP7IXA

hear the phrase "ena jeri aftoumeno ekratoun je asvise mou" showing the syntax and vocabulary Arvaniti says is uninentelligible to mainland Greeks, and which is PRECISELY the phrase that would be used by Cypriots.

[yialousa1971]

GR, I have to hand it to you mate.

Pou tin vriskis tin orexi na psianxis tounta pragmata den xerw.

mpravo sou reh, makari an' mporousa tzie yio na ta kamnw.

Na eisai kala

They refuse to let us fight the enemy so this is the least I can do for my country for the time being.

Stop sucking Kissingers and Soros dicks, you stupid arse.

[insan]

31. Inscriptions and writings in an Arcado-Cypriot dialect of Greek are primary evidencefor

a) Arcadian or Peloponnesian colonization of Cyprus in the Bronze Age.

b) Cypriot colonization of Arcadia and the Peloponnesus in the Bronze Age.

c) Arcadian-speaking Greeks' migration westward from Cyprus.

d) Eastward migration of Arcadian-speaking Greeks from the Peloponnesus toward Asia Minor.

Which is the correct answer? Test ur Greekness and Cypriotness.

[insan]

1400 BC Achaeans appear on Cyprus

After Crete was conquered by Achaean tribes, who borrowed cultural and scientific achievements of Cretans, now Cyprus was subject to a similar invasion. The population in continental Greece was growing rapidly, and the lack of fertile lands made Greeks migrate in search for better homes. Cyprus was partly populated by aboriginal nations, who are believed to belong to the same ethnic groups as Cretans ("Eteo-Cretans and Eteo-Cypriots"), partly by Phoenician merchant colonists. For a long time the island was used as an important trading post of peoples of the Mediterranean, so it was rich and prosperous enough to be a dream of aggressors.

Cypriot writing system, the famous "Cypriot Syllabary", was also taken up by Achaeans, but was not used too widely for its complicated structure. Its structure was syllabic, syllables end in a vowel, no distinction was made between voiced, voiceless and aspirated consonants. Nevertheless, on the island documents written in it existed up to the 4th century BC.

The autochthonic population of Cyprus was made slaves, which were called the same as on Crete - mnoitoi. This word probably derives from the name of Minos, a legendary king of Crete.

http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/chron/chron1.html

There were some aborginal nations living in Cyprus when Achaean Greeks started invading Cyprus.

Aborginal nations of Cyprus r believed to belong to the same ethnic groups as Cretans ("Eteo-Cretans and Eteo-Cypriots"), partly by Phoenician merchant colonists.

So neither the then native Cretans nor the aborginal Cyprus nations were Greek origin... Greeks came to Cyprus, not only invaded Cyprus and made the natives slaves; they also stole the famous "Cypriot Syllabary".

[Get Real!]

The official website of Cypriot Maronite Arabic Language

http://www.cypriotmaronitearabic.com/


Protection for Maronite language

"CYPRUS has submitted a Declaration on the Recognition of the Cypriot Maronite Arabic Language following a recommendation from the Council of Europe.

The Declaration was made in recognition of the concept of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages that Cyprus has ratified.

The Cypriot Maronite Arabic Language is the second language the Republic has earmarked for protection under the Charter. In 2002, Cyprus deposited on a declaration on the recognition of the Armenian Language

A Committee of Experts has already been set up to recommend specific actions aimed at protecting and promoting the Cypriot Maronite Arabic language."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 5&cat_id=1

[Nikitas]

Still waiting for GR to tell us about the Fourteen Gospels.

[Lit]

Cyprus, A Historical Overview from the Ministry of Interior, Press and Information Office Home Page (pdf format):

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... 008%29.pdf