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[Oracle]

Can't access your link, but going by your extracts ... nothing is actually being stated.

There is only Standard Greek and Cypriot is a dialect of this. There is no extant "Cypriot standard Greek" as such a process of standardisation of the Cypriot dialect has not occurred yet ... so what are you on about GR!?

These dialects spoken in Cyprus is just one reason why Cyprus (RoCy and TRNC) should stay independent and not part of any other country. A unique nationalistic character is in danger of being eroded, both by Turkish Settlers in the north, and the increased immigration of other nationalities in the south.

That's completely nonsensical and illogical. Do you propose Newcastle in the UK be given independence simply because the Geordie dialect is "unintelligible" to the Londoners?

Such grasping at straws makes me realise your partitionist dreams are definitely just that ... dreams .... without useful purpose.

Cyprus has independence ... it's only the Turks who violate that!

[Get Real!]

Nikitas, Oracle, Simon,

The best technical analysis and comparison of the two languages is the third link I posted… please study this if you find the time.


CYPRIOT AS A VOS LANGUAGE (V(erb) O(bject) S(ubject))

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/linguistics/ ... siliou.pdf

[Expatkiwi]

That's completely nonsensical and illogical. Do you propose Newcastle in the UK be given independence simply because the Geordie dialect is "unintelligible" to the Londoners?

Such grasping at straws makes me realise your partitionist dreams are definitely just that ... dreams .... without useful purpose.

Cyprus has independence ... it's only the Turks who violate that!

Oracle, Partition does suit a useful purpose: keeping the peace whilst also keeping the hands of other nations off the whole island. Now, I know what you're going to say: that if TRNC was recognized, it would "voluntarilly" annex itself to Turkey. That scenario I dread the most, but why should TC's agree to reunify, given what had happened in the past?

[bigOz]

Sorry to spoil the fun boys:

Quote from Britannica Online Encyclopedia:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/148573/Cyprus

"Island and country, eastern Mediterranean Sea.
Area: 3,572 sq mi (9,251 sq km). Population (2005 est.): 968,000 (whole island). Capital: Nicosia. Cyprus is currently divided into two de facto states. The Republic of Cyprus, the internationally recognized government, occupies the southern two-thirds of the island. Its population (2005 est.: 747,000) is predominantly Greek. Languages: Greek, Turkish (both official)......"

Who cares what dialect who speaks!

[Lit]

Nikitas, Oracle, Simon,

The best technical analysis and comparison of the two languages is the third link I posted… please study this if you find the time.


CYPRIOT AS A VOS LANGUAGE (V(erb) O(bject) S(ubject))

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/linguistics/ ... siliou.pdf

You know your right. The next time I'm selling my trinkets in Athens, I'm going to need your Cherickidian to Greek multilanguage Dictionary. What a freakin block head.

[Lit]

Can't access your link, but going by your extracts ... nothing is actually being stated.

There is only Standard Greek and Cypriot is a dialect of this. There is no extant "Cypriot standard Greek" as such a process of standardisation of the Cypriot dialect has not occurred yet ... so what are you on about GR!?

These dialects spoken in Cyprus is just one reason why Cyprus (RoCy and TRNC) should stay independent and not part of any other country. A unique nationalistic character is in danger of being eroded, both by Turkish Settlers in the north, and the increased immigration of other nationalities in the south.

I'm fixing to learn to talk like y'all do there down south. You guys speak differin from all them there northerners. I here y'all like caramels:

[Oracle]

That's completely nonsensical and illogical. Do you propose Newcastle in the UK be given independence simply because the Geordie dialect is "unintelligible" to the Londoners?

Such grasping at straws makes me realise your partitionist dreams are definitely just that ... dreams .... without useful purpose.

Cyprus has independence ... it's only the Turks who violate that!

Oracle, Partition does suit a useful purpose: keeping the peace whilst also keeping the hands of other nations off the whole island. Now, I know what you're going to say: that if TRNC was recognized, it would "voluntarilly" annex itself to Turkey. That scenario I dread the most, but why should TC's agree to reunify, given what had happened in the past?

With people like you, South Africa would still have apartheid. Expatkiwi, your thinking does not belong in the 21st century political arena, so kindly move on ....

[Oracle]

Sorry to spoil the fun boys:

Quote from Britannica Online Encyclopedia:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/148573/Cyprus

"Island and country, eastern Mediterranean Sea.
Area: 3,572 sq mi (9,251 sq km). Population (2005 est.): 968,000 (whole island). Capital: Nicosia. Cyprus is currently divided into two de facto states. The Republic of Cyprus, the internationally recognized government, occupies the southern two-thirds of the island. Its population (2005 est.: 747,000) is predominantly Greek. Languages: Greek, Turkish (both official)......"

Who cares what dialect who speaks!

The Britannica is slow to change ... Turkish is no longer an Official language but the language of the enemy occupants.

[Oracle]

CYPRIOT AS A VOS LANGUAGE (V(erb) O(bject) S(ubject))

"Cypriot is usually referred to as a dialect of Greek, but Standard Greek and Cypriot are mutually unintelligible. According to Newton (1972:19), “While speakers of village dialect do not nowadays experience much difficulty in following Standard Demotic and can often produce an approximation to it which is intelligible to mainland speakers, evidence derived from playing tape recordings to Athenian informants indicates that the intelligibility of Cypriot /xorkatika/ to the inhabitants of mainland towns is comparable to that of Dutch to speakers of High German.” The Cypriots understand and speak, more or less, many of the varieties of the Greek language. Standard Greek is used by Greek-Cypriots as their written form of language."

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/linguistics/ ... siliou.pdf

Erm ... maybe he went to a TC occupied village

[Oracle]

Nikitas, Oracle, Simon,

The best technical analysis and comparison of the two languages is the third link I posted… please study this if you find the time.


CYPRIOT AS A VOS LANGUAGE (V(erb) O(bject) S(ubject))

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/linguistics/ ... siliou.pdf

From Page 1 ....

The past two decades have seen a proliferation of scholarly work on the linguistic situation in Cyprus. This body of work is concerned with several topics, such as the speakers’ awareness of the linguistic varieties spoken on the island (e.g., Karyolemou & Pavlou, 2001), the role and extent of borrowing, particularly from English (e.g., Davy, Ioannou & Panayotou, 1996), the relationship between education and language (e.g., Papapavlou, 2004), and most of all language attitudes (among many, Ioannou, 1991; Karoulla-Vrikkis, 1991; Karyolemou, 1994; McEntee-Atalianis & Pouloukas, 2001; Sivas, 2003; Tsiplakou, 2003). One aspect that has not received much attention, however, is the form that Standard Greek1 takes in Cyprus, where it is the official language

All languages have been affected by this, including Standard Greek as used in Greece. She fails to make this important point. Is she proposing "borrowings" (usually non-influential nouns IMO) converge the matrix language towards the one borrowed from? In that case "Cypriot" is converging towards English and should become another Creole of English

She then goes on to conduct a one sided comparison of "Cypriot" against Standard Greek without looking at the variations which exist even within Greece. Her reference point is wrong ... unless, maybe she corrects this further down.

I've only looked at the first page of the Intro, so far ... I intend to read it all when I have time ... but so far it does not look like the final version due to the high error rate, in typos at least.