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[bill cobbett]

Where's Cypriot Turkish reh seperatist GR?! Biz insan deyilik?

Hateh reh GR, what about Kibrisillija? A mention of this endangered language before it disappears?

[Get Real!]

Where's Cypriot Turkish reh seperatist GR?! Biz insan deyilik?

The Cypriot language goes back way before the Ottomans arrived here Insan, but feel free to add a decent link to a good TC study.

[Get Real!]

Department of Linguistics, UCSD
San Diego Linguistic Papers, Issue 2
(University of California, San Diego)
Year 2006 Paper 2

Linguistic practices in Cyprus and the
emergence of Cypriot Standard Greek

Amalia Arvaniti
University of California, San Diego

“In Cyprus today systematic changes affecting all levels of linguistic analysis are observed in the use of Standard Greek, giving rise to a distinct linguistic variety which can be called Cypriot Standard Greek. The changes can be attributed to the influence of English and Cypriot Greek (the local linguistic variety), and to the increasing use of the Standard in semi-formal occasions. Equally important is the reluctance to recognize the diglossic situation on the island (in which Standard Greek is the H variety and Cypriot Greek the L), for political and ideological reasons. This in turn means that the attention of the Cypriot speakers is not drawn to the differences between Standard Greek as spoken in Greece and their usage of it; thus the differences become gradually consolidated, while
the users remain unaware of them.”

http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewc ... t=ucsdling

Hmmm... so what GCs and Greeks actually speak is 2 different dialects of Choirokitianish?

The Cypriots don’t realize it because they also understand Greece’s Greek.

[insan]

Where's Cypriot Turkish reh seperatist GR?! Biz insan deyilik?

The Cypriot language goes back way before the Ottomans arrived here Insan, but feel free to add a decent link to a good TC study.

Here's a very good study regarding Cypriot turkish Dialect...

http://www.turkiclanguages.com/www/Joha ... ir2006.pdf

The Sociolinguistics of Cyprus II(Studies from the Turkish Sphere)

Cypriot Turkish, generally described as an extension of Anatolian Turk-ish, offers a good basis for investigating inner-Turkish contact processes.The local dialect is naturally confined to the island, and its contact with ex-ternal cultural centers has been rather restricted. The dialect has thus devel-oped without a strong influence from Standard Turkish. As a result, a Cyp-riot Turkish dialect with specific characteristic properties has emerged.

[Oracle]

Department of Linguistics, UCSD
San Diego Linguistic Papers, Issue 2
(University of California, San Diego)
Year 2006 Paper 2

Linguistic practices in Cyprus and the
emergence of Cypriot Standard Greek

Amalia Arvaniti
University of California, San Diego

“In Cyprus today systematic changes affecting all levels of linguistic analysis are observed in the use of Standard Greek, giving rise to a distinct linguistic variety which can be called Cypriot Standard Greek. The changes can be attributed to the influence of English and Cypriot Greek (the local linguistic variety), and to the increasing use of the Standard in semi-formal occasions. Equally important is the reluctance to recognize the diglossic situation on the island (in which Standard Greek is the H variety and Cypriot Greek the L), for political and ideological reasons. This in turn means that the attention of the Cypriot speakers is not drawn to the differences between Standard Greek as spoken in Greece and their usage of it; thus the differences become gradually consolidated, while
the users remain unaware of them.”

http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewc ... t=ucsdling

Can't access your link, but going by your extracts ... nothing is actually being stated.

There is only Standard Greek and Cypriot is a dialect of this. There is no extant "Cypriot standard Greek" as such a process of standardisation of the Cypriot dialect has not occurred yet ... so what are you on about GR!?

[Expatkiwi]

Can't access your link, but going by your extracts ... nothing is actually being stated.

There is only Standard Greek and Cypriot is a dialect of this. There is no extant "Cypriot standard Greek" as such a process of standardisation of the Cypriot dialect has not occurred yet ... so what are you on about GR!?

These dialects spoken in Cyprus is just one reason why Cyprus (RoCy and TRNC) should stay independent and not part of any other country. A unique nationalistic character is in danger of being eroded, both by Turkish Settlers in the north, and the increased immigration of other nationalities in the south.

[bill cobbett]

I dunno, when I think of the money Mr and Mrs Cobbett Seniors (parents) spent on getting me to speak, read and write Greek., the wasted efforts of Greek Priests and Teachers ... cos in the CY Diaspora and in CY, Greek in so many, many cases reverts to the Popular Peoples' Language that is Kybraika.

[Nikitas]

"but Standard Greek and Cypriot are mutually unintelligible."

This is total bullshit!!!! The study looks to me as an easy way to earn a PhD by a clever Cypriot bamboozling naive Americans with a subject they do not know much about.

Cypriot Greek is not unintelligible to mainlanders because of different words, but because of an unexpected cadence and pronunciation. Once a listener is given a few hints he catches on quick and within minutes can understand 90 per cent of what is being said.
As for the contention that standard Greek is uninntelligible to Cypriots then that deserves a laugh. All programmes on the TV, Radio, and all newspapers in Cyprus are in standard Greek. All official documents are in the same language. Is this lady suggesting that Cypriots cannot read their passports, rent agreements, insurance policies etc? What a crock!

Cypriot Greek is much more easily understood by mainlanders than Pontian dialect, and even that, with some effort can be understood in a few hours of patient listening.

[Nikitas]

While we are at it? Is the dialect of Rhodos, or Crete intelligible to the average Athenian whose brain has been eroded by the Greek language as it has been corrupted by professor Babiniotis? He is the man who single handedly abolished double consonants from the language and managed to have his construct taught in all schools.

[Simon]

"but Standard Greek and Cypriot are mutually unintelligible."

This is total bullshit!!!! The study looks to me as an easy way to earn a PhD by a clever Cypriot bamboozling naive Americans with a subject they do not know much about.

Cypriot Greek is not unintelligible to mainlanders because of different words, but because of an unexpected cadence and pronunciation. Once a listener is given a few hints he catches on quick and within minutes can understand 90 per cent of what is being said.
As for the contention that standard Greek is uninntelligible to Cypriots then that deserves a laugh. All programmes on the TV, Radio, and all newspapers in Cyprus are in standard Greek. All official documents are in the same language. Is this lady suggesting that Cypriots cannot read their passports, rent agreements, insurance policies etc? What a crock!

Cypriot Greek is much more easily understood by mainlanders than Pontian dialect, and even that, with some effort can be understood in a few hours of patient listening.

Excellent post Nikitas. The Cypriot dialect is very similar to that spoken in the Dodecanese islands, so if Cypriots speak a different language, somebody better also tell the good people of Rhodes!