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[Nickp]

Why can't the relationship of TC's in Cyprus be the same to that of Kurdish people withthin the Turkish state?

[detailer]

Why can't the relationship of TC's in Cyprus be the same to that of Kurdish people withthin the Turkish state?

Reasons...

1) In law, Kurdish do not have any kind of partnership, minority, autonomy rights in Turkey whereas by 1960 agreements TC in Cyprus have partnership rights.

2) There are a lot of socia and historical resasons as well but these can change according to the opinion so 1) is the most imporatant.

3) This kind of thinking(Nickp's question) lead us to all disasters in Cyprus.

[Turkey (( *]

What do you mean nickp??

[Nickp]

What do you mean nickp??

I'm essentially pointing out double standards of the Turkish government.

[Murtaza]

how many TC president you had?

[Piratis]

I tell you what, if the TCs agree to have what Kurds have in Turkey, and the TC presidents will do nothing to change this, then I agree to have a TC president half of the time. Do you agree?

The "Kurds" that became presidents in Turkey are those that never asked for any kind of political power for Kurds. The ones that asked for such things, not only did not become presidents, but ended up either in jail or dead.

Also, I have to add that Kurdistan is an area that always had a Kurdish majority. The Kurds lived there for much longer than the Turks.

Therefore the Kurds should have the right to ask for a lot more things than TCs, including their own separate country. However, Turkey gives nothing to Kurds, and demands a bunch of outrageous things for TCs in Cyprus.

The double standards are obvious.

[Murtaza]

Piratis lets make easy for you.
A kurd can be choosen as a president in Turkey, but not in cyprus.

This means our difference with Kurds are less than your difference with TC. We dont se kurds so different as you see Turks. They can be president if they want. They live in Turkey and they have majority rights.
If I believe you can choose a TC as president and You dont think A TC is not different than a GC, Maybe TC demand will be less.

Do you understand this?

If not I will explain it again.
so stop to tell, kurds are same with TC.

[Piratis]

A kurd can be choosen as a president in Turkey, but not in cyprus.

This is because the TCs wanted it this way. I would be more than glad if this is changed.

This means our difference with Kurds are less than your difference with TC. We dont se kurds so different as you see Turks. They can be president if they want. They live in Turkey and they have majority rights.

TCs and Turkey demand to have different rights and not the "majority" rights like the rest of us.

I repeat I agree if TCs get what Kurds get in turkey. Now go ask your leaders and the TCs if they agree for this too. Then you will realize who is supporting double standards.

Do you understand this?

If not I will explain it again.

Explain what again? I said that I accept for TCs to have exactly what Kurds have in Turkey. Do you accept too? Or do you support double standards?

[Kifeas]

how many TC president you had?

We had one!
Dr Kutchuk from 1960 until 1963!

You might not know it but the Cypriot government (RoC) was a bicephalous (double-headed,) one. It was a diarchy system with two presidents, a TC and a GC. The one was “navigating” the steering wheel of the car and the other was “holding” the brakes, according to Dr. Kutchuk’s famous assertion after the “independence.” Of course it is inevitable that such a car riding will only have one faith, to crash in the first turn or dive into the next cliff.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Why can't the relationship of TC's in Cyprus be the same to that of Kurdish people withthin the Turkish state?

Reasons...

1) In law, Kurdish do not have any kind of partnership, minority, autonomy rights in Turkey whereas by 1960 agreements TC in Cyprus have partnership rights.

Detailer, I am not sure about the strength of the argument you have used ... there is such a thing as universal rights, so if it is right for TCs to enjoy partnership and equality within a United Cyprus - or, failing that, their own state - then it is also right for Kurds to enjoy partnership and equality within a United Turkey - or, failing that, their own state.

You have to decide if the basis for your struggles is your inalienable human and cultural rights, or if instead it is some historical agreement signed at some point in the past. If you opt the second, i.e. the legal precedent approach - then you should also be prepared to accept a full return to the 1960 constitution, a full return of all property to those who hold the original title for it, no bizonality whatsoever, etc.

If instead you opt for the human/cultural rights approach, then you are entitled to ask for whatever you think your TC culture needs in order to survive historically - including bizonality, power sharing on an equal footing and other such things - but you also have to be willing to grant the exact same rights to others who find themselves in a similar position - namely the Kurds in Turkey. If I tell you that Turkey should evolve into a Bizonal Bicommunal Federation, with 60 million ethnic Turks controlling the one zone, and 20 million ethnic Kurds controlling the other zone, and both these constituent states sharing power equally on the Federal Level, (or if the ethnic Turks don't want to concede that, then the Kurds should be entitled to their own state), what possible argument could you, as a Turkish Cypriot, have against this?