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[MrH]

All this talk about sanctions on Turkey with regards to Turkey’s so-called “meeting its Cyprus obligation” has, as expected, gone into thin air as I've said many times over.

The Cyprus problem, and Turkey's EU obligation concerning Cyprus' PARTICULAR (being the optimum word here) case is obviously an exception all EU member states are completely aware of - Why? Because the EU have obviously made it known that its acceptance of “Greek Cyprus” as representing the entire island was a grave mistake, and one which they will now quite obviously have to back track from. But, the real question is this, how will they? The answer is simple, but a bold one and one that requires once again hurting so called Greek Cypriot feels on the Cyprus issue. Just like the EU had to hurt the feels of both Greece and the Greek Cypriots on its recognition of Kosovo, so will they once again have to eventually hurt them on the recognition of the TRNC.

The only real question left then is, what type of two state scenarios does the Greek Cypriot want? One that stands as it is in the way of a forced method, where the GCs reject this reality until the status quo is cemented, or one that clearly GC-President Christofias is hinting of an amicable two state split – in so many words of course. However, the Greek Cypriot Church is hoping that the GC government may actually be able to salvage a few bushes of land here and there to make up perhaps a 30/70% split as opposed to the current 37% assigned to the TRNC. This information was obtained recently by a high level GC-Church official via his contacts in Russia!

It amazes me to see just how, after so many years, the Greek Cypriots still believe that we (Turkish Cypriots) will one day so-called “wake up” and accept their nationalist, domineering policy of majority GC rule over a so-called Turkish Cypriot minority. After many years of stalemate, not being able to convince or persuade the world to (in their minds) force Turkey out of the North when clearly Turkey are there under our (TC) invitation and will not budge, or be removed unless we want them to go.

Furthermore, the EU have also now raised a RED LIGHT on Turkey's EU membership bid after Turkey, last week, announced that it may actually not want to eventually join the club after completing its negotiations – I wonder what real benefit the EU will provide Turkey of the Future, particularly an EU which is already suffering from fundamental economic, socio and energy issues. Thus, throwing a spanner in the works to the well known and advertised “Greek Cypriot Turkey bashing” campaign (blackmail) as the Times Newspaper in London has quoted.

The Greek Cypriots need to seriously assess how significant Turkey is becoming as not only a prominent eastern neighbour in terms of trade, economics, the control of terrorism, its relationship with the ex-soviet states, etc, but what role Turkey is ultimately taking through the eyes of the EU and the U.S.

Look at it this way, if Turkey, through the eyes of the Greek Cypriots, were not able to be forcefully pushed out of Cyprus from 1974-2008 within a world that may not have regarded Turkey as being "significant" (only in GC eyes of course), what chance do you think the GCs will now have in removing Turkey's interests in Cyprus with how important Turkey has become in today's world; hence, energy, control of terrorism, economics, regional stability, its multi-billion dollar relationship with Russia and etc?

The world is not built on religious legions like how the Greek Cypriots obviously strongly believe, but rather on power, economics, stability and the future. Therefore, I would like to conclude by saying that either the Greek Cypriots wake up to an AMICABLE two state Cyprus formula (just ask your President before answering to this post), or accept the status quo - perhaps now right away, but it's soon coming!

[Tim Drayton]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

[YFred]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

[B25]

Threats, threats and more threats, make no difference to us. What you fail to realise MrH is that we have justice and right on our side. Thats why 36 years on you still cry the same tears.

Yes Turkey make have significant clout, but she is out of the main club and will stay out, to everyone benfit, if I may say so.

Only time will tell, all this political jostling is to be expected, like two boxers do just before entering the ring.

Its a psycological thing, means nothing, the best man wills, we are the best man

Anyway, good of you to report your propoganda at least this way we can keep tabs on whats being said and proepare for it.

Way to go.

[Tim Drayton]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

[YFred]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, Iam surprised at you. What is identity? Who are we?
What matters is that TC in Cyprus are able to make a living. They will be able to join the main capitalist system, so they can earn a living. They are not going to be kings no matter what. There can only be one king and thats me.
As an Englishman how much of your 13th Century identity have you got?
We cannot stand still and must change to survive.

I look forward to the day when there will be half a million hotel bed capacity in the north and see how well TCs will do then? You will then get TCs from all over coming back and claiming what is theirs.

[B25]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

[insan]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, preseving our unique Turkic-Cypriot cultural idendity is in our hands. If we teach it to our people and create them opportunities to practice it; no one would be able to "destroy" our cultural idendity. We preserved it under British Rule, though influenced a lot from British cultural idendity but we didn't lose it; to the contrary we enriched it. We also enriched our cultural idendity with the interaction of GC cultural idendity too. For a while wehave been enriching our cultural idendity with the cultural idendity of different cultural idendities of settlers, plus European cultural idendity. I can't understand why u keep considering anything Turkish related as a threat and all other influences not a threat on TC cultural idendity. U r getting it wrong, Tim; IMHO.

[YFred]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

Considering how much land the roc has stolen from me and not having a single inch of GC land in return, you are the most ignorant, uneducated and stupid GC I have ever come across, you thieving bastard.

[Tim Drayton]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, preseving our unique Turkic-Cypriot cultural idendity is in our hands. If we teach it to our people and create them opportunities to practice it; no one would be able to "destroy" our cultural idendity. We preserved it under British Rule, though influenced a lot from British cultural idendity but we didn't lose it; to the contrary we enriched it. We also enriched our cultural idendity with the interaction of GC cultural idendity too. For a while wehave been enriching our cultural idendity with the cultural idendity of different cultural idendities of settlers, plus European cultural idendity. I can't understand why u keep considering anything Turkish related as a threat and all other influences not a threat on TC cultural idendity. U r getting it wrong, Tim; IMHO.

The factor that some people ignore is TC emigration and RoT immigration. Yes, if TCs made up the majority of the population of the north of Cyprus they would undoubtedly be able to preserve their identity. However, that is no longer the case. It is not inconceivable that 10 years from now the population of the north of Cyprus will cross the 1 million mark, and at the same time the number of TCs remaining on the island will have fallen below 50,000. That makes a mere 5%. What kind of protest will there then be if the Supreme Broadcasting Board prohibits the use of the TC dialect? None, I would suggest.

I first went to the north of Cyprus in 1992, and went there from Turkey. I was struck then by how different Turkish Cypriot culture was from that of Turkey. Seventeen years later, I do not think that the same degree of difference exists. If you are happy with that, then fine.