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[GeorgeV97qaue]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, Iam surprised at you. What is identity? Who are we?
What matters is that TC in Cyprus are able to make a living. They will be able to join the main capitalist system, so they can earn a living. They are not going to be kings no matter what. There can only be one king and thats me.
As an Englishman how much of your 13th Century identity have you got?
We cannot stand still and must change to survive.

I look forward to the day when there will be half a million hotel bed capacity in the north and see how well TCs will do then? You will then get TCs from all over coming back and claiming what is theirs.

You can keep looking forward to that day but I aint going to happen until you compromise. Give back what you stole.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

Considering how much land the roc has stolen from me and not having a single inch of GC land in return, you are the most ignorant, uneducated and stupid GC I have ever come across, you thieving bastard.

This post it toatlly irrelevent to the above and thats just a typical response to I have been had. You know I'm right but you have to respond with rubbish to try an cover it.

Arsehole.

You hold 37% of our land and you complain about yours, pft!

Asshole is what you speak through old boy. You have accused me personally of having stolen GC land. I was merely trying to educate you, but completely forgot that you were karpasian donkey. Essssshhhhhhhek.

BTW get your figures right. TCs do not have 37% of your land. Since when did you have 100% of Cyprus?

Enlighten us then YFRED how much land have you stolen then 27% what is it then?

[paliometoxo]

you turks on this forum are so anti peace so full of hatred and anti peace.. pro war and then turkey goes ont he n ews saying they want a solution but cypritos are stallling..

so full of crap look at you people scream hwo cyprus is turkish and you will have youtr own state and scream such hatred for cypriots how you would rather be eliminated by your own mumma turkey then re unite..

its turkey causing the problems

[YFred]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

Considering how much land the roc has stolen from me and not having a single inch of GC land in return, you are the most ignorant, uneducated and stupid GC I have ever come across, you thieving bastard.

This post it toatlly irrelevent to the above and thats just a typical response to I have been had. You know I'm right but you have to respond with rubbish to try an cover it.

Arsehole.

You hold 37% of our land and you complain about yours, pft!

Asshole is what you speak through old boy. You have accused me personally of having stolen GC land. I was merely trying to educate you, but completely forgot that you were karpasian donkey. Essssshhhhhhhek.

BTW get your figures right. TCs do not have 37% of your land. Since when did you have 100% of Cyprus?

Enlighten us then YFRED how much land have you stolen then 27% what is it then?

If you were half decent, you would have challenged B25 on his perception that there are no TC lands in Cyprus and also that TCs are the first wave of settlers. Then we can have a discussion as to what percentage of the 37% belongs to the TCs and how much of it belongs to the GCs and is it in any way counter balanced by the stealing of the entity of roc by the GCs and was it a good deal or not. But let’s set some foundations for discussion not just jump down people throats every which way.


BTW I particularly resent being called a thief by a thief especially when I have not stolen anything.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

Considering how much land the roc has stolen from me and not having a single inch of GC land in return, you are the most ignorant, uneducated and stupid GC I have ever come across, you thieving bastard.

This post it toatlly irrelevent to the above and thats just a typical response to I have been had. You know I'm right but you have to respond with rubbish to try an cover it.

Arsehole.

You hold 37% of our land and you complain about yours, pft!

Asshole is what you speak through old boy. You have accused me personally of having stolen GC land. I was merely trying to educate you, but completely forgot that you were karpasian donkey. Essssshhhhhhhek.

BTW get your figures right. TCs do not have 37% of your land. Since when did you have 100% of Cyprus?

Enlighten us then YFRED how much land have you stolen then 27% what is it then?

If you were half decent, you would have challenged B25 on his perception that there are no TC lands in Cyprus and also that TCs are the first wave of settlers. Then we can have a discussion as to what percentage of the 37% belongs to the TCs and how much of it belongs to the GCs and is it in any way counter balanced by the stealing of the entity of roc by the GCs and was it a good deal or not. But let’s set some foundations for discussion not just jump down people throats every which way.


BTW I particularly resent being called a thief by a thief especially when I have not stolen anything.

I have never stated TC's dont own land in Cyprus. I just want to know how much land Turkey has stolen. When I stated stole i didnt mean you stole it personally so dont be so touchy.

Now let's have a serious dicussion my old mucker. How much land have Turkey Stolen?

You guys had appox 20% of land in Cyprus so are you in agreement we get back the other 17%?

[YFred]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

Considering how much land the roc has stolen from me and not having a single inch of GC land in return, you are the most ignorant, uneducated and stupid GC I have ever come across, you thieving bastard.

This post it toatlly irrelevent to the above and thats just a typical response to I have been had. You know I'm right but you have to respond with rubbish to try an cover it.

Arsehole.

You hold 37% of our land and you complain about yours, pft!

Asshole is what you speak through old boy. You have accused me personally of having stolen GC land. I was merely trying to educate you, but completely forgot that you were karpasian donkey. Essssshhhhhhhek.

BTW get your figures right. TCs do not have 37% of your land. Since when did you have 100% of Cyprus?

Enlighten us then YFRED how much land have you stolen then 27% what is it then?

If you were half decent, you would have challenged B25 on his perception that there are no TC lands in Cyprus and also that TCs are the first wave of settlers. Then we can have a discussion as to what percentage of the 37% belongs to the TCs and how much of it belongs to the GCs and is it in any way counter balanced by the stealing of the entity of roc by the GCs and was it a good deal or not. But let’s set some foundations for discussion not just jump down people throats every which way.


BTW I particularly resent being called a thief by a thief especially when I have not stolen anything.

I have never stated TC's dont own land in Cyprus. I just want to know how much land Turkey has stolen. When I stated stole i didnt mean you stole it personally so dont be so touchy.

Now let's have a serious dicussion my old mucker. How much land have Turkey Stolen?

You guys had appox 20% of land in Cyprus so are you in agreement we get back the other 17%?

Since the TCs were offered 25% by the GCs and was not accepted and since the GCs were offered 71% by the TCs and was not accepted I propose (and are you sitting down?) 27%/73% split. Now that gives the TCs 10% of GC land over and above what they deserved. Now, do your maths and calculate what the use of RoC corporation is worth in real terms for the last 45 years and then you can work out whether TCs owe you money or you are in their debt. Just a quick calculation says that it is worth 50% of Cyprus land; hence you owe TC 13%.

Now how will you be paying, cheque or a credit card cause only certain credit cards are acceptable, none of your roc Mickey Mouse credit cards will be acceptable.

[wallace]

For the sake of argument, let us say that the EU recognises the TRNC as a separate state that is not an EU member. Do you believe that this is in the interests of the Turkish Cypriot people? I do not.

Then direct trade with the outside world, will allow the north to be developed with investment coming in from all over EU and other places. It can only be in their interest.

What have they got to lose?

The final remaining vestiges of their own identity.

Tim, regrettably, they have already lost that, Turkey made sure, the likes of Yfred, Insan, Zan, VP et al are only after keeping their ill gotten gains and nothing to do with the culture or heritage. No matter how many times you try to explain to them, we are just dragons waiting to eat them at the first chance.

The Tcs have been assimilated into Cyprus Turks and now prohibited to use their own dielect, now they know how the Kurds feel in Turkey, it is a systematic process to eliminate them.

Oh well, bye bye boys, been nice knowing you

Considering how much land the roc has stolen from me and not having a single inch of GC land in return, you are the most ignorant, uneducated and stupid GC I have ever come across, you thieving bastard.

This post it toatlly irrelevent to the above and thats just a typical response to I have been had. You know I'm right but you have to respond with rubbish to try an cover it.

Arsehole.

You hold 37% of our land and you complain about yours, pft!

Asshole is what you speak through old boy. You have accused me personally of having stolen GC land. I was merely trying to educate you, but completely forgot that you were karpasian donkey. Essssshhhhhhhek.

BTW get your figures right. TCs do not have 37% of your land. Since when did you have 100% of Cyprus?

Enlighten us then YFRED how much land have you stolen then 27% what is it then?

If you were half decent, you would have challenged B25 on his perception that there are no TC lands in Cyprus and also that TCs are the first wave of settlers. Then we can have a discussion as to what percentage of the 37% belongs to the TCs and how much of it belongs to the GCs and is it in any way counter balanced by the stealing of the entity of roc by the GCs and was it a good deal or not. But let’s set some foundations for discussion not just jump down people throats every which way.


BTW I particularly resent being called a thief by a thief especially when I have not stolen anything.

I have never stated TC's dont own land in Cyprus. I just want to know how much land Turkey has stolen. When I stated stole i didnt mean you stole it personally so dont be so touchy.

Now let's have a serious dicussion my old mucker. How much land have Turkey Stolen?

You guys had appox 20% of land in Cyprus so are you in agreement we get back the other 17%?

Since the TCs were offered 25% by the GCs and was not accepted and since the GCs were offered 71% by the TCs and was not accepted I propose (and are you sitting down?) 27%/73% split. Now that gives the TCs 10% of GC land over and above what they deserved. Now, do your maths and calculate what the use of RoC corporation is worth in real terms for the last 45 years and then you can work out whether TCs owe you money or you are in their debt. Just a quick calculation says that it is worth 50% of Cyprus land; hence you owe TC 13%.

Now how will you be paying, cheque or a credit card cause only certain credit cards are acceptable, none of your roc Mickey Mouse credit cards will be acceptable.

Why should we accept anything less than allready belongs to us? I come and steal your car tomorrow and wil offer you the car back without engine! Agreed?

[B25]

Yfred, cyprus is not yours to give away as you see fit.

The TCs actually own 18% and probably less so don't get too cocky about what you will give and what you will allow us to have.

You (Turkey) are hold 37% of Cyprus to ransom, blackmail and gunpoint, and if you were anyway decent, you would be challenging that fact not just jumping down others throats and rubbing it in.

You must obviously gain out of all this otheriwse you wouldn't be fighting it, you want to gain at our losses, shame on you.

So, never mind playing the myrtar, just give back what you stole!

[Get Real!]

Since the TCs were offered 25% by the GCs and was not accepted and since the GCs were offered 71% by the TCs and was not accepted I propose (and are you sitting down?) 27%/73% split.

The reply to your proposition has just come through...

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source: Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Maps.htm

[B25]

GR, they have seen these figures many times before, but makes no difference to them.

Let them just talk about their imaginary %ages, we all (including the international community) know what they own and what they don't.

In time we will get back whats ours.