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[Lit]

Lit, thanks for indavertantly demonstrating my point. Of course you can take anyone's opinion and agree or disagree. But setting out the definition and the methods of population measurement are not just matters of opinion.

Dude, what are you talking about? I dont need to present or interpret anything. You do not have to be a surgeon or a rocket scientist to know that the settlers in the north exist and are the overwhelming majority. This is a fact, not opinion. Just because we do not know the exact specific number does not mean we should not be outraged. Talat himself stated that none TCs constitute more than 500,000 in the occupied north. Why dont you go tell Talat how he came up with this number and what constitutes being a settler? Even Erdogan recently stated that a population of at least one million is needed for a self-sufficient economy in the occupied North. What are we to make of these statements? Be silent about this Turkish crime of changing the demographic structure of this island and hope that it some how resolves some day? Pardon me, but who the f_ck are you?

"This is a fact, not opinion." Well if you can't tell the difference between 200,000 people then you'll forgive me for not accepting your 'facts' !

Reread my previous statement to you. Take your pissing contest elsewhere please.

[Pax]

"Reread my previous statement to you." I re-read it. That's a fact.
"Take your pissing contest elsewhere please." That's an opinion.
And I haven't taken it elsewhere. That's a fact.

[Lit]

"Reread my previous statement to you." I re-read it. That's a fact.
"Take your pissing contest elsewhere please." That's an opinion.
And I haven't taken it elsewhere. That's a fact.

1) The settlers constitute the overwhelming majoirty in the north. Fact
2) The Geneva Convention explicitly prohibits such action. Fact
3) The presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island. Fact.

[Pax]

"Reread my previous statement to you." I re-read it. That's a fact.
"Take your pissing contest elsewhere please." That's an opinion.
And I haven't taken it elsewhere. That's a fact.

1) The settlers constitute the overwhelming majoirty in the north. Fact
2) The Geneva Convention explicitly prohibits such action. Fact
3) The presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island. Fact.

1. To be able to say that settlers constitute a majority you have to define who the settlers are and then identify a method for counting them. As I was saying in earlier posts we can establish facts by agreeing definitions and methods. Repeating the same claim over and over again does not confirm something as a fact.

2. Which Geneva Convention ? There are dozens of them. But hey why let a little fact get in the way of a good rant ? I take it you mean the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, and if so, then yes it prohibits population transfer by an occupying power. (Why you feel the need to mention this prohibition I don't know, since I'd not raised it let alone questiined it).

3. Is a matter of opinion. There are clearly some people who think that it is an obstacle. Fact. There are clearly some people who think that it is not an obstacle. Fact. (If both of these statements were not factually correct then there'd be no Cyprus problem, would there ? But whether one sees it as an obstacle or not is a matter of opinion.

[Lit]

"Reread my previous statement to you." I re-read it. That's a fact.
"Take your pissing contest elsewhere please." That's an opinion.
And I haven't taken it elsewhere. That's a fact.

1) The settlers constitute the overwhelming majoirty in the north. Fact
2) The Geneva Convention explicitly prohibits such action. Fact
3) The presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island. Fact.

1. To be able to say that settlers constitute a majority you have to define who the settlers are and then identify a method for counting them. As I was saying in earlier posts we can establish facts by agreeing definitions and methods. Repeating the same claim over and over again does not confirm something as a fact.

Nobody is disputing that the settlers constitute the overwhelming majority in the north except for you. Nobody is disputing it because its a fact.

2. Which Geneva Convention ? There are dozens of them. But hey why let a little fact get in the way of a good rant ? I take it you mean the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, and if so, then yes it prohibits population transfer by an occupying power. (Why you feel the need to mention this prohibition I don't know, since I'd not raised it let alone questiined it).

Of which article? Well look at you! So you know its the Fourth Geneva Convention. Whoop–de–doo! LOL Why do i feel the need to mention it? I felt like mentioning it because i felt like mentioning it. What is your problem?

3. Is a matter of opinion. There are clearly some people who think that it is an obstacle. Fact. There are clearly some people who think that it is not an obstacle. Fact.

And the GCs will never accept an agreement where the majority of these settlers stay. Ergo, the presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island

[B25]

"Reread my previous statement to you." I re-read it. That's a fact.
"Take your pissing contest elsewhere please." That's an opinion.
And I haven't taken it elsewhere. That's a fact.

1) The settlers constitute the overwhelming majoirty in the north. Fact
2) The Geneva Convention explicitly prohibits such action. Fact
3) The presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island. Fact.

1. To be able to say that settlers constitute a majority you have to define who the settlers are and then identify a method for counting them. As I was saying in earlier posts we can establish facts by agreeing definitions and methods. Repeating the same claim over and over again does not confirm something as a fact.

Nobody is disputing that the settlers constitute the overwhelming majority in the north except for you. Nobody is disputing it because its a fact.

2. Which Geneva Convention ? There are dozens of them. But hey why let a little fact get in the way of a good rant ? I take it you mean the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, and if so, then yes it prohibits population transfer by an occupying power. (Why you feel the need to mention this prohibition I don't know, since I'd not raised it let alone questiined it).

Of which article? Well look at you! So you know its the Fourth Geneva Convention. Whoop–de–doo! LOL Why do i feel the need to mention it? I felt like mentioning it because i felt like mentioning it. What is your problem?

3. Is a matter of opinion. There are clearly some people who think that it is an obstacle. Fact. There are clearly some people who think that it is not an obstacle. Fact.

And the GCs will never accept an agreement where the majority of these settlers stay. Ergo, the presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island

A deliberate obstacle I might add and as for the numbers Turkey doesn't give a rats arse and she deliberately shipped in the trash so that no one knows the true effect.

Why should ANY settlers be allowed to stay, illegal entry of any country means deportation, why should Cyp be any different??? Oh yes, because the F Turks can do whatever the please, no rules or laws or regulations to stand in their way.

Lit, you are wasting your time with these creatures, they are here and they shouldn't be that is all there is to it, they should all leave. Bye Bye.

[B25]

"Reread my previous statement to you." I re-read it. That's a fact.
"Take your pissing contest elsewhere please." That's an opinion.
And I haven't taken it elsewhere. That's a fact.

1) The settlers constitute the overwhelming majoirty in the north. Fact
2) The Geneva Convention explicitly prohibits such action. Fact
3) The presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island. Fact.

1. To be able to say that settlers constitute a majority you have to define who the settlers are and then identify a method for counting them. As I was saying in earlier posts we can establish facts by agreeing definitions and methods. Repeating the same claim over and over again does not confirm something as a fact.

Nobody is disputing that the settlers constitute the overwhelming majority in the north except for you. Nobody is disputing it because its a fact.

2. Which Geneva Convention ? There are dozens of them. But hey why let a little fact get in the way of a good rant ? I take it you mean the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, and if so, then yes it prohibits population transfer by an occupying power. (Why you feel the need to mention this prohibition I don't know, since I'd not raised it let alone questiined it).

Of which article? Well look at you! So you know its the Fourth Geneva Convention. Whoop–de–doo! LOL Why do i feel the need to mention it? I felt like mentioning it because i felt like mentioning it. What is your problem?

3. Is a matter of opinion. There are clearly some people who think that it is an obstacle. Fact. There are clearly some people who think that it is not an obstacle. Fact.

And the GCs will never accept an agreement where the majority of these settlers stay. Ergo, the presence of Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus is as an obstacle to the reunification of this island

A deliberate obstacle I might add and as for the numbers Turkey doesn't give a rats arse and she deliberately shipped in the trash so that no one knows the true effect.

Why should ANY settlers be allowed to stay, illegal entry of any country means deportation, why should Cyp be any different??? Oh yes, because the F Turks can do whatever the please, no rules or laws or regulations to stand in their way.

Lit, you are wasting your time with these creatures, they are here and they shouldn't be that is all there is to it, they should all leave. Bye Bye.

[repulsewarrior]

...what gets me is the broad range that is fitted to non-Cypriot population in the north. no one figure exists, that's the fact, and it is obvious that the instigator be it the deep-state, the army, and/or the government in Turkey wants it that way. what is not clear are the resonances of the Cold War which continue to be played here in Cyprus. the green line remains; started in Cyprus spreading to Berlin and Beirut, we remain focused as "Greeks" or "Turks". if it doesn't dawn on us, the opportunity we have as Cypriots, as this island's dwellers, the opportunity that for the first time, the rest of Mankind gives us then we will remain at this worst possible situation, an impasse, at odds, ignorant because our real enemy is not each other; it is the Intolerance which, for the rest of the world ended. israel is another place where walls are built. think, compare, if youve seen a map of palestine, wake up. Bicommunal does not mean two equal forces. Bicommunal does not mean two parts for that matter; as in "Greek" and "Turkish", as a whole it defines a coupling of parts. you do not get it unless you see the difference; in our case, one government, or more than two; a State and National Assemblies; People, defined as Individuals and as Persons.

quite frankly in my mind "Greek" and "Turkish" sucks, it is outdated, it ended in 1960 with a Constitution for a single identity, Sovereign, with self-representation as "we" could define it then, against forces (the same forces i might add) who want to dismiss the Heritage that Cyprus offers Humanity, and to tear it up in pieces. in my mind "Greeks" and "Turks" fail themselves if they forget that their salvation came from the Grace which helped unite many Persons as People; that is the History of both.
even if the modern day representation for the most part remains "mono-clonal",
either history represents at its roots the coming together of Peoples within a "New" identity, as Individuals.

i don't suggest that the repopulation of the Anatolian Plain is possible, nor the repopulation of so may islands, but i remember an earthquake where Greeks were Turks and Turks were Greeks for a few days. in that fight, both overcame their fear each has for the other, revealing a weakness in their thinking; where things seem impossible.

...so i say again read my manifesto, the population of Cyprus is about twelve million (in two hundred years)

think really strange, like twenty percent of the population is african in origin, grecophones represent forty percent, most people speak english, the official languages of Cyprus are many rather than two or three...

...as for the "settlers", some will want to go "home", some will want to have a home having only a house, some will have made a home. if communities can return, at least some, then the border that divides us will have no meaning. without a demonstration on our part, with this conviction, a redress for the displaced, our subjugation to the fear we have within ourselves will grow to fester again. enclaves solve many problems, in our repopulation, supporting our Freedom of Movement and Association, defining a geographical context called Bizonal.

...funny, the one million number, as though that many "Turks" are equal to the one million who demonstrate the zeal as this island's dwellers. isn't this number 600-800 thousand amazing, doesn't it represent already a number larger than thirty percent by pop island wide?

...do you want to vote on a Referendum where you get to keep most of what you have; because you are "Greek or Turkish". I suggest we stick it to those who claim their spawning. as Individuals, as Freedom Loving People, we should live as equals to represent our own Humanity, where as Greeks and Turks and Maronites, and Romes (and maybe Russians, Lebanese, Jews, Eritreans, and Sri Lankans) we have the opportunity to prosper.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

[Lit]

The breakaway regime granted its “citizenship” to another 700 persons from Turkey

Under the banner front page title “Another 700 citizens”, Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (20.10.09) reports that “a new wave of shock” was created in the Turkish Cypriot community because of a statement made yesterday at the “assembly” by the self-styled minister of internal affairs and local administrations, Ilkay Kamil.

The paper writes that Mr Kamil stated that they have made “citizens” of the regime 700 persons, who “were forced to wait” for taking the “citizenship” by the former “government” of the Republican Turkish Party (CTP). Referring to the issue, the chairman of the CTP, Ferdi Sabit Soyer said that he stopped the procedure for granting the “citizenship” to these 700 persons because the so-called elections were approaching.

According to the paper, Mr Kamil said: “These young people have settled down here. They are here in order to claim these lands. If it were left to you, these young people would never be able to become citizens”.

Mr Kamil further noted that they will continue to grant the “citizenship” to persons, who are married in the occupied areas of Cyprus, settled down and established a job. He added, however, that the self-styled government has not decided to give the “citizenship” to thousands of persons. He said that when he became “minister”, he found 600-700 files with applications regarding the “citizenship” and added that the applications which derived from marriages have been evaluated by the CTP as well.

Turkish Cypriot daily Yeni Duzen newspaper (20.10.09) refers to the issue under the title “’Secret citizenship’” and reports that after criticism at the “assembly”, Mr Kamil stated that “we have made citizens 700 persons in a few months”. He claimed that the “government” has the right to grant the “citizenship” without announcing it in the “official gazette”. Mr Soyer stated that if the “government” does not announce in the “official gazette” that it granted the “citizenship”, it will be committing a big crime. He said that this will eventually be revealed in the “election registers”.

He added: “If you do this, we shall go to the court. We have taken you to the court in the past as well and you were convicted. You will be convicted again”.

Moreover, Turkish Cypriot daily Gunes newspaper (20.10.09) reports that the self-styled prime minister, Dervis Eroglu referred to the issue and argued that the CTP is exerting efforts to degenerate the meetings of the “assembly”. He noted that the CTP has said that it granted the “citizenship” to three thousand persons, but it did not say according to which status it did this. He expressed his satisfaction with hearing that the CTP does not oppose to making new “citizens” and noted that they will continue to grant the “citizenship” properly.
(I/Ts.)