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[Viewpoint]

"Were they still on offer even though the borders were closed? "

VP, I do not know if the RoC advertised full rights for TCs or if it invited them to come over to the free areas. What I do know from personal experience is that the TCs who stayed behind had full equality and opportunities. There are specific cases I have in mind, like the dairy farmer who got government loans and subsidies and built up his business and ranked as one of the leading dairy farmers in the Larnaca district.

Again, from direct experience, I know that TCs who turned up at any RoC embassy received assistance even if they held non RoC passports.

Its not very hard to understand why the GCs in the face of the embargoes and isolation they impose on the TRNC and the obvious enjoyment they get out of it, if they had the opportunity to stop passports health care they would do it at the blink of an eye but the international community would condemn them becuase it is the GCs who claim to represent the whole island and therefore all its residents, they solely reep the rewards of of our recognition and throw out a few crumbs...what do you think the world would do if the stopped providing the bare essentials to part of its people, it would be an acceptence that we are divided and this would bring about the risk of recognition. GCs never do anything if they are not to benefit from it and these mere morsals are so they can milk recognition to the full..you really need to get to grips with the reality of politics and the twisted mentality your leaders use to manipulate and exploit the situation.

[Get Real!]

The little "RoC" is a donkey and always will be the joke is it thinks its a race horse...

In an effort to understand what you're on about because you keep throwing this around...

Is Greece or Turkey a "race horse"? What about the “TRNC”, is it a "race horse" and if so does it qualify as a stallion or a mare?

[Viewpoint]

The little "RoC" is a donkey and always will be the joke is it thinks its a race horse...

In an effort to understand what you're on about because you keep throwing this around...

Is Greece or Turkey a "race horse"? What about the “TRNC”, is it a "race horse" and if so does it qualify as a stallion or a mare?

All we know is that the little spoilt "Roc" is not a race horse...because however hard you try you cannot turn a donkey into a race horse. The evlauation, interpretation and where it takes you is down to you. In my book is reflects how stubborn and stupid GCs are in trying to find a solution although they have joined the "jockey club" their animal is a donkey because their mindset has not changed one iota from the 1960s, the other race horse owners just tollerate the donkey and laugh behind their backs.

[repulsewarrior]

...so the trnc by your analogy, is a jack ass. no sex, confused, not a horse, and not a donkey.

[Pax]

Any estimate of the 'settler' population, like any population estimates, depends on (a) the definitions or categorisation (b) the method of estimation.

This article fails to define or specify method. The comments which follow are largely based on speculation and wild guesswork reflecting posters' preferred number depending on their political position or the political spin they can put on it. Thus GC nationalists want to see a high reported Turkish settler number and low TC figure so that they can decry Turkish domination and TC ineffectiveness. TC Turkish nationalists want to see a low Turkish settler figure and a high TC figure so that they can trumpet the success of Turkey's selfless protection of TCs. TC Cypriot nationalists might want to see a high reported settler figure to show that TCs are still a discriminated minority, this time at the hands of Ankara. You can make imaginary figure say whatever you want them to say, at your convenience.

Maybe some serious and reliable population figures with careful explanation of methods and classification might be produced and discussed instead of this self-serving nonsense.

[Lit]

This article fails to define or specify method. The comments which follow are largely based on speculation and wild guesswork

That's your opinion. I'll gladly take Mehmet Levent's word over yours any day, thank you.

Thus GC nationalists want to see a high reported Turkish settler number and low TC figure so that they can decry Turkish domination

The article has nothing to do with GC nationalists as it is simply talking about a column written by a TC from the Afrika newspaper. Now whether you choose to believe this TC columnist is entirely up to to you. More on this later. Have a nice day.

[Pax]

Lit, thanks for indavertantly demonstrating my point. Of course you can take anyone's opinion and agree or disagree. But setting out the definition and the methods of population measurement are not just matters of opinion.

Take the simple statement "settlers estimated between 600-800 thousand". First, it claims to be an "estimate" not an actual figure. Second it says "between 600-800 thousand" - so a 25% margin of error ! Hhhmmm ? The surgeon who makes 25% margin error is called a butcher. The returning officer who makes a 25% error is called corrupt. The creditor who makes a 25% 'error' is called a loan shark. Third it says "settler" - but who is a settler ? One who stays a month, a year, three years, twenty years ? Or should we be specifying residency, citizenship, tourist, work visa, etc.

I didn't say the article was about GC nationalists. I said that the way population figures are presented and interpreted reflects political, e.g nationalist, prejudices.

[Lit]

Lit, thanks for indavertantly demonstrating my point. Of course you can take anyone's opinion and agree or disagree. But setting out the definition and the methods of population measurement are not just matters of opinion.

Dude, what are you talking about? I dont need to present or interpret anything. You do not have to be a surgeon or a rocket scientist to know that the settlers in the north exist and are the overwhelming majority. This is a fact, not opinion. Just because we do not know the exact specific number does not mean we should not be outraged. Talat himself stated that none TCs constitute more than 500,000 in the occupied north. Why dont you go tell Talat how he came up with this number and what constitutes being a settler? Even Erdogan recently stated that a population of at least one million is needed for a self-sufficient economy in the occupied North. What are we to make of these statements? Be silent about this Turkish crime of changing the demographic structure of this island and hope that it some how resolves some day? Pardon me, but who the f_ck are you?

[Pax]

Lit, thanks for indavertantly demonstrating my point. Of course you can take anyone's opinion and agree or disagree. But setting out the definition and the methods of population measurement are not just matters of opinion.

Dude, what are you talking about? I dont need to present or interpret anything. You do not have to be a surgeon or a rocket scientist to know that the settlers in the north exist and are the overwhelming majority. This is a fact, not opinion. Just because we do not know the exact specific number does not mean we should not be outraged. Talat himself stated that none TCs constitute more than 500,000 in the occupied north. Why dont you go tell Talat how he came up with this number and what constitutes being a settler? Even Erdogan recently stated that a population of at least one million is needed for a self-sufficient economy in the occupied North. What are we to make of these statements? Be silent about this Turkish crime of changing the demographic structure of this island and hope that it some how resolves some day? Pardon me, but who the f_ck are you?

"This is a fact, not opinion." Well if you can't tell the difference between 200,000 people then you'll forgive me for not accepting your 'facts' !

As for Talat and Erdogan, they're as likely to play the numbers game to favour their positions as anyone. I think their publicly quoted figures are as suspect as any other. Look Lit, anyone can play the old game of magicking numbers from thin air and waiting for other schmucks in pantomime style shout "oh no it isn't; oh yes it is" . I'm in favour of cutting the crap from politicians on both 'sides' and instead exposing to public scrutiny the methodological and definitional basis of population claims. In the end any settlement is going to have to be based on a common set of population classifications and the sooner the methods and definitions are made clear and agreed the sooner a settlement may be concluded.

[Viewpoint]

...so the trnc by your analogy, is a jack ass. no sex, confused, not a horse, and not a donkey.

No we are just a donkey end of, we do not think we are a race horse like the GCs .