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[cannedmoose]

Do you have a brain? If you do, would you care to engage it before you make your next post!

These are personal attacks which the forum rules stipulate as not acceptable, can you please debate without insult and consider this a first warning.

[ex_pat]

Do you have a brain? If you do, would you care to engage it before you make your next post!

These are personal attacks which the forum rules stipulate as not acceptable, can you please debate without insult and consider this a first warning.

Cannedmoose, I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel if you think that was an insult!

Going to get your mate Brother to ban me are you?

Very sad indeed!

[cannedmoose]

Cannedmoose, I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel if you think that was an insult!

Going to get your mate Brother to ban me are you?

Very sad indeed!

No, I've decided on a different policy, I'm just going to ignore your posts as I find your manner abrasive and your views nauseating. When you demonstrate that you're able to participate without jumping down people's throats because they disagree with you, then I'll reconsider.

[demetriou_74]

they are just getting what they can. if somebody said said here you go have a house and free everything you will not say no. however a little story i can tell you.


a family of 6 people came over and asked for a house. they got a very nice house. then one of the six people get the smallest child and asks for a flat. they get this because they are a 'mother and baby'. the other 4 people also do this so the family ends up with about 4 properties. they then all live in one tiny flat and sub-let the others. this guy who does this then uses the money to buy property in the UK.

moral of the story. the system is fucked. and dont get me started on unemployment benefit. there should be a 6 month limit, except if you have a pardon from one of the staff who has individually assessed your case. i also know that one of the frowned upon members of my family has lived off the state for decades gets £1000 to go on holiday.

[gabaston]

Ex-pat

I was going to respectfully respond to your last retort but then I though esek siki yesin – (may u eat donkey dick ), and hence changed this post's substance.

Its not that you are beyond saving, its just that as u are, you are an invaluable example to future generations of mankind.
A shining example of an un-civil human being, a highest order bigot and hence something which our children will appreciate not growing becoming.

Long may you continue in your ways. Not many like you left. You are a thankfully a dying breed.

[Michael Coumas]

Wow, a can of worms this one and again a subject that can easily get out of hand and misinterpreted. I believe it is all in the wording and definitions.
I hope we all agree that anybody fleeing persecution should be granted asylum when the persecution or threat to life is proven. I think the terminology then becomes “granted exceptional leave to remain”. The question must be asked however ‘why has an individual travelled half way around the world to claim asylum’. What was wrong with the nearest country too him? The person that may apply to is probably not an asylum seeker but an economic migrant. In addition there are legitimate foreign nationals who have by virtue of EU membership every right to live and work in a member state and as the subject was the UK there are an additional eight countries whose nationals can work if they have a workers registration certificate from the Home office.
Asylum seekers were supported by a voucher system and as someone said I am convinced the system has been abused by some however I must add that the system is abused by far more indigenous people than asylum seekers or the like. It has been claimed that there are probably five to ten million national insurance numbers in circulation over and above numbers of people over 16 in the UK. I cannot comment on that or any other speculation until I see supportive facts. I do not think the UK Government claims back any money as a direct result of its asylum policy. Mr gabaston cannot understand how the British people could elect a government who footed the bill for all this expense, many might think the same but they did. I can assure you however that some claims I have heard are either pure fantasy, misguided beliefs or unfounded propaganda. Take the car point, a car can be awarded for people on invalidity benefit that includes a mobility component but its one or the other not both and the £1000 to go on holiday – with all due respect your relative may be posturing with a bit of bravado there hoping the listeners ignorance of the facts will somehow give him credibility. Unemployment benefit is not payable to anyone on holiday abroad and if in the UK you can have a 2 week holiday but you will only receive your normal benefit if you are prepared to return within 24 to 48 hrs. There is no “holiday pay”. All this information is available through relevant web sites but you can see how ‘facts’ can get distorted and used to promote either a left or right wing view. As someone once said “why let the truth get in the way of a good money making story” – probably a tabloid journalist, with apologies to all those journalists with integrity.

[erolz]

Hi ex pat

Hi everyone else. Been away. Back now

anyway onto topic

some more facts about asylum seekers

Less developed and rich nations (what was called the third world and is now called the developing world) take in more of the worlds asylum seekers (and economic migrants for that matter) than the first world and always have done.

The UK has both a moral and a legal obligation to people seeking asylum.

There is no statistcal evidence that I know of that shows that immigrants (be they economic migrants or asylum seekers) are any more likely to try and 'cheat' the system than any other group. There is much evidence however that migrants as a groups work harder and longer than natives in their host countries, simply because they have too.

Many people seeking asylum do sometimes travel through many other countries before seeking asylum in the UK. This is usualy because they have some connection with the UK that they do not have with the other countries passed through. This in turn is usualy related at some stage in the past to the fact that a couple of hundred years ago Britain went around the world enslaving and stealing from anywhere they could get away with it (the basis for our realtive economic advantage today).

The UK as one of the largest arms dealers in the world sells the tools used by dictators to oppress and terrorise their people such they are drvien from their homelands, thus creating asylum seekers in the first place.

here are some more aslum seeker facts (bizzarely from the Milton Keynes website (Milton Keynes is a city in UK by the way).

"Famous asylum seekers in the past have been Albert Einstein, Alec Issigonis (designer of the Mini), Sigmund Freud, Lou Grade, Joseph Conrad (novelist), Piet Mondrain"

"So, the UK has more asylum seekers than most?

Actually no. Most asylum seekers move to the nearest country to their own. So for example, 38% of the 3.6 million Palestinian refugees are located in neighbouring Jordan. Of all asylum seekers and refugees who reach Europe, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Austria, Sweden, Ireland, Germany and Denmark have all taken in a higher percentage than the UK. Outside of Europe, the United States takes in the highest number accepting 90,000 per year."

"But we are a "soft touch" aren't we?

No. The benefits system in the UK is one of the least generous in Europe. And payments to asylum seekers are below the amounts which would normally be paid in income support to the same size of household, they get 70% of income support (they get £10 in cash and the rest in vouchers, for a single adult that works out at about £35 a week) and under the new arrangements no choice about where they live.


Do they get televisions and washing machines?

No. The council doesn't provide asylum seekers with televisions and washing machines."

The link is here if you are interested.

http://www.mkweb.co.uk/equalities/Displ ... p?ID=21847

[Yiannis]

I would recomend to everyone to watch Hotel Rwanda which is based on true facts and is a perfect example of how refugees split out all over Europe.
Im telling you that movie was just shocking and we should be thankfull for what we have. And yes i wouldnt give a shit if they use some tax money. I would have done it too if i was from Rwanda and the superpowers didnt give a shit about me.

[Michael Coumas]

Well put erolz, I read the link and it is obviously factual in itself but of course there will be forum members who will not be able to reconcile what some of the post said with what they see and know. It may be worth mentioning that although the local council may not supply "televisions and washing machines" central government does have things like community care grants and a social fund from which loans can be made so it is probably assumed the asylum seeker has been given something but the reality is not.
Generally speaking asylum seekers or foreign nationals in the UK are hard working and work to achieve an end. Likewise it could be said that in and around each major City a proportion of the local populous will do its best to milk the system for everything it can. I could relay dozens probably hundreds of factual cases to support each side of the argument but that would be a breach of confidentiality and I don’t think would add anything to the points raised. All we need to be aware of is that as a general rule it is not the foreigner who is costing the Country dearly it is the local retard wanting a free ride. I stress that I am speaking generally as there are obviously always exceptions to the rule.

[Alex L]

Whereas your postings are well-reasoned, balanced and based on fact, I suppose.

Or at least that's what a friend of mine was told by someone who works for him... or something.

I thought this forum was about Cyprus, not a forum for provoking fear and hatred, even if it is against minority groups who are apparently able to equip themselves with limitless free televisions at the expense of the state. Surely the asylum seekers are missing a trick if they are throwing TVs out of windows - why don't they sell them and claim they were stolen? In fact I'm sure I heard some suggestion along those lines on Asylum Heaven FM last night.

My father was a refugee from Cyprus, but he was only issued with a crappy old radio when he queued up to fleece the Government back then. Mind you, he made a mint out of the UK benefit system and now he's a property developer in Cyprus, fleecing witless ex-pats.