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After Accord Signing, Turkey Presses Armenia on Nagorno-Karabakh
By VOA News
11 October 2009

Turkey's prime minister says Armenia needs to withdraw its troops from a breakway enclave in Azerbaijan before Turkey will open its border with Armenia.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan linked the issues Sunday, one day after Turkey and Armenia signed an agreement to normalize relations after a century of hostility.

In Ankara, Mr. Erdogan said an Armenian troop pullout from Nagorno-Karabakh would ease the way for Turkey's parliament to ratify the deal on normalizing relations. Before the agreement can take effect, it must be ratified by the parliaments of both Turkey and Armenia.

Turkey shut its border with Armenia in 1993 in support of Azerbaijan, which was fighting to keep control of the Armenian-majority enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Broader differences between Turkey and Armenia stem from the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turkish forces during and after World War One.

The chairman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, Sunday welcomed the Turkey-Armenia accord signed Saturday. He commended the effort and political will that leaders of the two countries have invested to overcome differences.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spent several hours Saturday working to resolve a last-minute dispute over statements to be made at the signing ceremony in the Swiss city of Zurich. In the end, neither Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian nor his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davutoglu, spoke after signing the protocols to establish diplomatic ties and to reopen the border.

There is strong opposition to the deal in both countries.

Armenians want the massacres between 1915 and 1923 recognized as genocide, and many countries have done so. Turkey strongly rejects the genocide claim. It says the Armenian death toll is inflated and that many Turks also were killed during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

The agreement calls for a joint commission of independent historians to examine the genocide question. Some experts say the commission would be a concession to Turkey as it would revisit an issue Armenia says has already been confirmed.


http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-10-11-voa4.cfm

[YFred]

CBBB you can talk. How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

[Lit]

CBBB you can talk.

Of course he can talk...who the f_ck are you?

How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

Are you on drugs? I didn't realize Cyprus was occupying Georgia or Azeri land.

CBBB, thanks for posting the article...what f_cking hypocrisy!

[Lit]

Turkey's prime minister says Armenia needs to withdraw its troops from a breakway enclave in Azerbaijan before Turkey will open its border with Armenia.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan linked the issues Sunday, one day after Turkey and Armenia signed an agreement to normalize relations after a century of hostility.

So lets get this right. Ankara signed an agreement to normalize relations with Armenia. One day after Armenia and Turkey reached an agreement...Turkey sets new conditions for opening Armenia border. ROTFLMAO! Nagorno-Karabakh was not part of the agreement signed on Saturday! This so called agreement is doomed to failure. Its never going to be implemented by Turkey.

[YFred]

CBBB you can talk.

Of course he can talk...who the f_ck are you?

How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

Are you on drugs? I didn't realize Cyprus was occupying Georgia or Azeri land.

CBBB, thanks for posting the article...what f_cking hypocrisy!

FYI I am one of the Yfred clan, that’s who I am and kindly wash your mouth before mentioning my name. The hypocrisy you refer to is the fact that you approve ethnic cleansing in Georgia and Azeristan.
Did Cyprus not abstain from such a resolution recently regarding Georgia. So you have refined the meaning of ethnic cleansing and it only applies to friends of Cyprus, everybody else can bugger off.
Bloody nice that is.

[CBBB]

CBBB you can talk.

Of course he can talk...who the f_ck are you?

How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

Are you on drugs? I didn't realize Cyprus was occupying Georgia or Azeri land.

CBBB, thanks for posting the article...what f_cking hypocrisy!

FYI I am one of the Yfred clan, that’s who I am and kindly wash your mouth before mentioning my name. The hypocrisy you refer to is the fact that you approve ethnic cleansing in Georgia and Azeristan.
Did Cyprus not abstain from such a resolution recently regarding Georgia. So you have refined the meaning of ethnic cleansing and it only applies to friends of Cyprus, everybody else can bugger off.
Bloody nice that is.

Although I agree with you that Cyprus should not have abstained in that vote, they didn't actually approve ethnic cleansing, more of a no comment.

[YFred]

CBBB you can talk.

Of course he can talk...who the f_ck are you?

How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

Are you on drugs? I didn't realize Cyprus was occupying Georgia or Azeri land.

CBBB, thanks for posting the article...what f_cking hypocrisy!

FYI I am one of the Yfred clan, that’s who I am and kindly wash your mouth before mentioning my name. The hypocrisy you refer to is the fact that you approve ethnic cleansing in Georgia and Azeristan.
Did Cyprus not abstain from such a resolution recently regarding Georgia. So you have refined the meaning of ethnic cleansing and it only applies to friends of Cyprus, everybody else can bugger off.
Bloody nice that is.

Although I agree with you that Cyprus should not have abstained in that vote, they didn't actually approve ethnic cleansing, more of a no comment.

Come on CBBB, was no comment an appropriate answer from a nation who suffered such a fate. It is wrong. Akel is not the Akel I was thinking of.

[Lit]

CBBB you can talk.

Of course he can talk...who the f_ck are you?

How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

Are you on drugs? I didn't realize Cyprus was occupying Georgia or Azeri land.

CBBB, thanks for posting the article...what f_cking hypocrisy!

FYI I am one of the Yfred clan, that’s who I am and kindly wash your mouth before mentioning my name. The hypocrisy you refer to is the fact that you approve ethnic cleansing in Georgia and Azeristan.
Did Cyprus not abstain from such a resolution recently regarding Georgia. So you have refined the meaning of ethnic cleansing and it only applies to friends of Cyprus, everybody else can bugger off.
Bloody nice that is.

I do not approve of ethnic cleansing...you do! A_shole, you realize that Turkey (and the majority of the UN members) abstained as well right? So does Turkey support ethnic cleansing in Georgia? Now STFU!

The hypocrisy i refer to old chap is that Turkey is occupying land that does not belong to it. Shouldn't it look in the mirror before blathering away at Armenia?

Here is the real issue which you are trying to divert.

Let us all recall what happened last month when the the Turks coudlnt even implement an agreement on a simple pilgrimage to the occupied north. Look now at what the Associated press is reporting below. Evidently, Turkey is setting new condition for ties with Armenia breaching the agreement it signed just the other f_cking day!! Can you all imagine what would have happened if the GCs would have accepted the Annan plan whereby the “implementation” of the plan in general depended upon the good will of the invader?
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Associated Press -- 1 hour ago

One day after Turkey signed a deal the United States helped salvage to end a century of enmity with Armenia, Turkey's leader set a tough condition for normalizing ties on Sunday: Armenia must withdraw from the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The statement appeared to be an effort by Turkey to appease close ally Azerbaijan, which said the agreement will aggravate the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Nagorno-Karabakh is an Armenian-occupied enclave in Azerbaijan.

On Sunday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hailed the agreement to establish diplomatic ties with Armenia and reopen their border. He called such steps with a former bitter foe an "important step" that would lead to cooperation and dialogue.

However, Erdogan said the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute must be resolved to enable Turkey to take steps to normalize ties and for the deal to be approved by parliament. To take effect, the agreements must be ratified by the Turkish and Armenian parliaments, but the accord faces stiff opposition in both countries.

[CBBB]

CBBB you can talk.

Of course he can talk...who the f_ck are you?

How can you ask for it in Cyprus but not in Georgia or Azeristan?

Are you on drugs? I didn't realize Cyprus was occupying Georgia or Azeri land.

CBBB, thanks for posting the article...what f_cking hypocrisy!

FYI I am one of the Yfred clan, that’s who I am and kindly wash your mouth before mentioning my name. The hypocrisy you refer to is the fact that you approve ethnic cleansing in Georgia and Azeristan.
Did Cyprus not abstain from such a resolution recently regarding Georgia. So you have refined the meaning of ethnic cleansing and it only applies to friends of Cyprus, everybody else can bugger off.
Bloody nice that is.

Although I agree with you that Cyprus should not have abstained in that vote, they didn't actually approve ethnic cleansing, more of a no comment.

Come on CBBB, was no comment an appropriate answer from a nation who suffered such a fate. It is wrong. Akel is not the Akel I was thinking of.

I said I agreed with you, they should not have abstained.

[barouti]

lol...Turkey has already reneged on the accord. Tayyip seems to have added a surprise condition.

The ink’s been dry for 36 hours, and already the accord appears to be hitting its first stumbling blocks.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tyyip Erdogan said yesterday he will only comply with terms to open the border with Armenia if that country leaves territory in Azerbaijan.

http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/wrsnews/t ... html?16253

Seriously, who would have expected otherwise.