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"Partition is the answer", Cyprus Mail article

Postby MrH » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:51 pm

Please refer to the article below which is currently in the Cyprus Mail. It's about time a Greek
Cypriot had his head screwed on! But, more importantly, I'm sure I've also mentioned in a few of
my past posts on this forum in the past, is the basis of what this author believes, and why? But my
Debate under this posting is this: Why has this particular Dr, and author seen the light?

And, do you all believe in his idea and realistic vision of the future taking Into consideration this
person's arguements?


PART OF AN ARTICLE CURRENTLY IN THE CYPRUS MAIL
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Partition is the answer, just don’t say the word
By Charles Charalambous

New book calls for separate states as preferable to ‘disastrous’ bizonal bicommunal federation

A DETAILED argument in favour of partition is the theme of a book published last month by Greek Cypriot Dr Takis Georgiou, except nowhere in the pages of Plan B is the word ‘partition’ explicitly mentioned in any positive light.

Preferring to use the term an ‘independent Greek Cypriot state in the south of the island’, Georgiou argues that such an entity is preferable to the current ‘disastrous’ basis for the current intercommunal talks – a bizonal bicommunal federation.

Georgiou takes a famous quote by John Kenneth Galbraith – “Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable” – as a starting-point for arguing that “in our view, the bizonal bicommunal federation ‘solution’ is disastrous. Consequently, we are obliged to seek another choice, which in all probability will not be palatable, but at least will not be disastrous.”

Georgiou, a gynaecologist practising in Nicosia, argues that “taking all of the factors of the Cyprus problem into consideration, there is a very clear need for another strategy, one which is different to that of the federal ‘solution’.” Because the argument for separate states has not been discussed publicly, he believes “there is no clear-cut view within public opinion regarding the form, content and prospects for a clearly-defined Greek Cypriot State.”

Phileleftheros newspaper recently went some way towards plugging this perceived gap by distributing free copies of Plan B – which is available only in Greek - to its readers.

Starting with the book’s preface, a reader is left in no doubt about the author’s view of a solution based on a bizonal bicommunal federation. Georgiou asks: “But with this ‘solution’, will our occupied lands perhaps be finally and irrevocably lost? And worst of all, will this solution perhaps lead to the destruction and de-Hellenisation of our island?”
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Postby Gregory » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:11 pm

Georgiou, a gynaecologist practising in Nicosia


my feeling is that Dr Georgiou should stick to what he knows best. Vaginas.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:15 pm

So you finally found ONE person who wrote about “partition” while thousands have been writing about “reunification”, and my personal favorite “liberation”!

Now what? :lol:
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Todays Sunday Mail..

Postby cymart » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:36 pm

Also contains an excellent article by former President George Vasiliou,explaining the case for a federal,unified solution as opposed to partition and the benefits it will bring to all the inhabitants of the island.
It might also interest people to know that I met a group of T.C's who are originally from villages in Paphos at the coffee-shop outside Chryssoriatissa Monastery this afternoon and now live in villages around Kyrenia and Morphou.They spoke good Greek and were happy to have a friendly discussion about the situation in Cyprus:they all said that most T.C's desperately want a solution and for most of the settlers from Turkey to leave as the economy in the north is in dire trouble and there are no jobs for the T.C's because employers prefer the mainlanders who work for very low wages.However they also remarked that there are far too many foreign workers in the south from eastern europe and third-world countries etc. and Cypriots should have priority as it is their country.
They are also very encouraged by Papandreous initiative to visit Turkey and believe quiet diplomacy has far more chance of succeeding than public recrimination which the politicians on both sides engage in far too often.But they also believe this is the final chance to get a solution,otherwise Cyprus will face permanent division and disaster,in which case most T.C's will either cross to the south or go abroad to find a better future as there is nothing for them in the north and they have no control in the place where they now live...as one of them said,he lives in Lapithos which everyone would say is paradise,but would prefer to come back to Moutalos in Paphos where his old home is if there is no solution!

These are their words,not mine!
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Re: Todays Sunday Mail..

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:48 pm

cymart wrote:But they also believe this is the final chance to get a solution,otherwise Cyprus will face permanent division and disaster,

The "final chance" syndrome seems to have affected more people than the Swine Flu in the “TRNC”... :)
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:14 pm

And when partition finally sets in and about 50 000 Turkish Cypriots cross to the south, will they be given all the rights afforded to them by the London-Zurich agreements?
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I wonder???

Postby cymart » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:22 pm

Of course let's hope it does not turn out that way!!
It's also common sense that time is working against a solution and that saying this could well be the last chance is the truth-I have never understood why some people cannot see this reality with their own eyes as its obvious to anyone who has visisted the north-and the south over the years since 1974???The situation here will not stay the same for the simple reason that nothing ever really stays the same and is changing(worsening here)...from day to day!
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:31 pm

But, Piratis thinks that the balance of power will eventually swing our way. In fact he is so sure about this that he has never stopped to contemplate that it may become even worse for our side. Can such a person really care about this island?
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Postby B25 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:31 pm

Bananiot wrote:And when partition finally sets in and about 50 000 Turkish Cypriots cross to the south, will they be given all the rights afforded to them by the London-Zurich agreements?


OK, let me see, they don't want to live with us because we are going to eat them, yet 50,000 of them are going to freely come over and live here WITHOUT any prior agreements???

Someone is taking the piss me thinks, either that or they just shot themselves in the foot.

Bananiot / Cymart whoever, those other nationals in cyprus are from EU countries and have the right to work freely here, again the TCs display their slefishness in demanding priority. isn't that what this has been all about.

Further, since the north will be void of TCs, does that mean Turkey will then have no excuse to be here, no pretext for being here to defend TCs. Pft, all a pile of shit again.

Bananiot aka Cymart aka Bananiot are trying to use turkeys threatening tactics again, last chance or else! Well boys, I'd rather take the or else option.

Bring it on.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:33 pm

B25 wrote:
Bananiot wrote:And when partition finally sets in and about 50 000 Turkish Cypriots cross to the south, will they be given all the rights afforded to them by the London-Zurich agreements?


OK, let me see, they don't want to live with us because we are going to eat them, yet 50,000 of them are going to freely come over and live here WITHOUT any prior agreements???

Someone is taking the piss me thinks, either that or they just shot themselves in the foot.

Bananiot / Cymart whoever, those other nationals in cyprus are from EU countries and have the right to work freely here, again the TCs display their slefishness in demanding priority. isn't that what this has been all about.

Further, since the north will be void of TCs, does that mean Turkey will then have no excuse to be here, no pretext for being here to defend TCs. Pft, all a pile of shit again.

Bananiot aka Cymart aka Bananiot are trying to use turkeys threatening tactics again, last chance or else! Well boys, I'd rather take the or else option.

Bring it on.


Will you deny the TC their rights under your own consitution?
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