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[Gabira]

3rd video might most probably make u feel very sad or even tearful...

Yes, it did make me feel sad

Those poor young girls had alot of patience and tolerance for that possibly paid propaganda jira artist as she put on those crocodile tears.

You could see and feel the venom in her eyes as she looked at those TC children. Then she has the hide to kiss them too. I was waiting for her fangs to spring out and extinguish the life out of them.

Did she get any permission to just maliciously rip those oranges straight off the tree

What a pathetic propaganda stunt she has attempted to pull off. This was not about her 'supposed' anguish and pain but rather a typical GC crying over spilt milk as a consequence of unsuccessfully anihilating innocent TC's over the decades

The video should be appropriately renamed to "Hello, this used to be my house, can I come in with your permission and see it one last time ?"

[zan]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

Deniz, when u evaluate issues u need to take into account the then circumstances... There weren't very good relations with GCs primarily at political level and significantly at social level from 40's and onwards... What was the situation in GC schools regarding teaching the Turkish language? Were they still teaching the Turkish language or they never taught it? 2 wrongs does not make 1 wrong but under such circumstances of late 50's retaliation could be considered logical...

Somewhere along the line I missed this post Insan.

You talk of there not being 'good relations' at political level. What do you expect. Politics is just that. There will be differences. The need be thrashed out. If you talk of politicalparties, they will always bicker. They have always bickered among themselves too (within each community).

AKEL had many TC members and what happened to them . We all know their fate. Intimidated by the TMT, perhaps some even killed.

I share your hate of the slimy politicians of today but it is people who have differences....Politics is the way these differences are controlled.

[insan]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

Deniz, when u evaluate issues u need to take into account the then circumstances... There weren't very good relations with GCs primarily at political level and significantly at social level from 40's and onwards... What was the situation in GC schools regarding teaching the Turkish language? Were they still teaching the Turkish language or they never taught it? 2 wrongs does not make 1 wrong but under such circumstances of late 50's retaliation could be considered logical...

Somewhere along the line I missed this post Insan.

You talk of there not being 'good relations' at political level. What do you expect. Politics is just that. There will be differences. The need be thrashed out. If you talk of politicalparties, they will always bicker. They have always bickered among themselves too (within each community).

AKEL had many TC members and what happened to them . We all know their fate. Intimidated by the TMT, perhaps some even killed.

U picked the part u wish to put forth ur opinion regarding a fact that we all know but u didn't question the fact that how all leftist unions had become Enosist inns. Under such circumstances the TCs that were still the members of enosist, GC trade unions created an impression that they were Enosist too... What would u expect under such circumstances? Our great democrats and Sufis to show respect and tolerance to supposedly Enosist TCs?

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

Deniz, when u evaluate issues u need to take into account the then circumstances... There weren't very good relations with GCs primarily at political level and significantly at social level from 40's and onwards... What was the situation in GC schools regarding teaching the Turkish language? Were they still teaching the Turkish language or they never taught it? 2 wrongs does not make 1 wrong but under such circumstances of late 50's retaliation could be considered logical...

Somewhere along the line I missed this post Insan.

You talk of there not being 'good relations' at political level. What do you expect. Politics is just that. There will be differences. The need be thrashed out. If you talk of politicalparties, they will always bicker. They have always bickered among themselves too (within each community).

AKEL had many TC members and what happened to them . We all know their fate. Intimidated by the TMT, perhaps some even killed.

U picked the part u wish to put forth ur opinion regarding a fact that we all know but u didn't question the fact that how all leftist unions had become Enosist inns. Under such circumstances the TCs that were still the members of enosist, GC trade unions created an impression that they were Enosist too... What would u expect under such circumstances? Our great democrats and Sufis to show respect and tolerance to supposedly Enosist TCs?

So they even disagreed within the party itself. I am aware of the block voting for Enosis. This could have been handled differently perhaps.

I am not as empty headed as you might think. Sufi or no Sufi.

[Oracle]

Scroll back yourself, below is your original post to me in this thread. Who is confused? You quite clearly mis-interpreted the meaning of the statement that you consider to be racist. I put this down to your mindset.

Of course Jerry. The confusion seems to be that we were talking over TWO, and you switch off mentally between one and the other even though the one I was talking about was the major of the two and all you had to do was look up. Here is the whole quote-tome and I have used red ...

BTW I only consider you a "racist" through ignorance, not by design

Oracle wrote:

Jerry wrote:

Oracle wrote:

Jerry wrote:

Oracle wrote:

Jerry wrote:

Oracle wrote:

Jerry wrote:

YFred wrote:

Jerry wrote:
I always thought that it was universally accepted that some Turkish Cypriots are in fact Greek Orthodox converts, hasn't it been scientifically demonstrated that many in both communities share the same genes, how could they ever be called settlers?

Jerry, are you accusing me of not being a TC?

Could be, you could even be a descendant of Julius Caesar. I knew a TC from Lourinjina (?) who spoke Greek so well that a GC friend of mine could not tell what he was. To me the saddest thing about this whole business is that many GCs and TCs share the same blood.

That is how a racist would think. Human Rights do not distinguish according to "bloodlines". The crime is against the Human NOT his blood-type! It is only the Turks who have racially, ethnically cleansed by thinking along those lines and such "excuses" should not be allowed to be perpetuated any longer...

What a twisted logic! A racist is someone like you who makes derogatory remarks about a person simply because of his/her race.

Not twisted, but direct! If you think sharing a "bloodline" allows greater privileges (by being "saddest" when overlooked) than any actual respect of a person purely for unquestionable human rights; then you have to address your views. As for mine, I hate only the Turks for their behaviour in violating human rights and racially ethnically cleansing half of Cyprus ... If you think that is racist then it is further proof you are twisted!

Oh, you are far too clever for me. Tell me, do you hate all Turks, some Turks or do you in fact mean Turkish Goverments and what they have done to Cyprus?

Do you understand only at the superficial level?

Well that's what I call a pathetic cop out. Are you capable of giving a straight answer to my question, do you hate all Turks, some Turks or do you in fact mean Turkish Goverments and what they have done to Cyprus?

If you are able to read and comprehend; there is a full enough contextual answer in my original statement.

This is when all you had to do was look up, as I had enboldened it by then.

Still, it all ties up ....

[Oracle]

You still refuse to say which Turks you hate. I really can't be bothered with your nit-picking any longer Oracle. No doubt you will see this as "capitulation" to your arguments, frankly I couldn't give a toss about what you think.

For the record the Nazis were not a race, the Turks, good or bad, are. The full contextual answer you refer to was not in your original post, which is why I said it did not exist.

Then you are blind (amongst other things)! You quoted and re-quoted my original post with that extract ... Why don't you just scroll back (it may help reinforce your fallibility ).

So, why were the Nazis (a rather "uniform" lot) not a "race" but the rather heterogeneous population of Turkey is a "race", according to you?

When you are ready .... Do you have an answer for the above question?

[Oracle]

3rd video might most probably make u feel very sad or even tearful...

Yes, it did make me feel sad

Those poor young girls had alot of patience and tolerance for that possibly paid propaganda jira artist as she put on those crocodile tears.

You could see and feel the venom in her eyes as she looked at those TC children. Then she has the hide to kiss them too. I was waiting for her fangs to spring out and extinguish the life out of them.

Did she get any permission to just maliciously rip those oranges straight off the tree

What a pathetic propaganda stunt she has attempted to pull off. This was not about her 'supposed' anguish and pain but rather a typical GC crying over spilt milk as a consequence of unsuccessfully anihilating innocent TC's over the decades

The video should be appropriately renamed to "Hello, this used to be my house, can I come in with your permission and see it one last time ?"

Spoken like a true Kemalist fascist ....

[runaway]

Best part was when the TC said I don't want to move south as it is not safe. Our house was burned without any reason.

[paliometoxo]

3rd video might most probably make u feel very sad or even tearful...

Yes, it did make me feel sad

Those poor young girls had alot of patience and tolerance for that possibly paid propaganda jira artist as she put on those crocodile tears.

You could see and feel the venom in her eyes as she looked at those TC children. Then she has the hide to kiss them too. I was waiting for her fangs to spring out and extinguish the life out of them.

Did she get any permission to just maliciously rip those oranges straight off the tree

What a pathetic propaganda stunt she has attempted to pull off. This was not about her 'supposed' anguish and pain but rather a typical GC crying over spilt milk as a consequence of unsuccessfully anihilating innocent TC's over the decades

The video should be appropriately renamed to "Hello, this used to be my house, can I come in with your permission and see it one last time ?"

said the stupid malakismenos/i that lives in limassol..

you should go to your invaded north and live there since u love the turks so much and hate cypriots..

two little girls living in a mud house that dident understand a word the old lady said

[Get Real!]

Best part was when the TC said I don't want to move south as it is not safe. Our house was burned without any reason.

Who burnt the house down?

Multiple choice test follows:

A) A random arsonist.

B) Turkish Napalm.

C) GC retribution.

D) The TMT.

E) Himself for insurance.

Good luck, you've got 5 minutes!