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[halil]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

I suspect that some of our fellow forumers too have some knowledge of Turkish ; to their credit I must add. Whereas some of us know it from our families and living with Greek Cypriots, they have gone to the trouble of learning Turkish. Well done.

[Oracle]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

[YFred]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

Ziligurtin navgalis gori Oricu.

[Tim Drayton]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

I was once waiting on the bus to Limassol shortly before it was due to depart at the terminus in Nicosia. A confused looking Cypriot boarded and asked, in Turkish, if anybody could speak Turkish. I was surprised to see several elderly Greek Cypriots on the bus immediately answer in the affirmative, and confirm to him in Turkish that he was on the right bus to get to Limassol.

[YFred]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

I was once waiting on the bus to Limassol shortly before it was due to depart at the terminus in Nicosia. A confused looking Cypriot boarded and asked, in Turkish, if anybody could speak Turkish. I was surprised to see several elderly Greek Cypriots on the bus immediately answer in the affirmative, and confirm to him in Turkish that he was on the right bus to get to Limassol.

If you continue to oppose everything Oracle says, I think your honorary position in the south of the island will be cancelled. Don't say you have not been warned.

[Oracle]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

I was once waiting on the bus to Limassol shortly before it was due to depart at the terminus in Nicosia. A confused looking Cypriot boarded and asked, in Turkish, if anybody could speak Turkish. I was surprised to see several elderly Greek Cypriots on the bus immediately answer in the affirmative, and confirm to him in Turkish that he was on the right bus to get to Limassol.

OK ... so some elderly people (all definitely GCs?) understand Turkish for "Limassol" ...

Anyway, looking at halil's (poor) post again, I suppose he may have meant 95% spoke Turkish because they were Turkish Settlers (and hence did not speak TC dialect ).

The ambiguities arising from halil's posts are endless ....

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

I was once waiting on the bus to Limassol shortly before it was due to depart at the terminus in Nicosia. A confused looking Cypriot boarded and asked, in Turkish, if anybody could speak Turkish. I was surprised to see several elderly Greek Cypriots on the bus immediately answer in the affirmative, and confirm to him in Turkish that he was on the right bus to get to Limassol.

That will not cut any ice with our dear O. She will down play anything like that.

I would be willing to teach her a thing or few in Turkish.

[Tim Drayton]

Deniz, I never said that TCs are not Cypriots. What I am saying is that Turkey in the 21st century can not use the methods that Ottomans used in the middle ages to expand their empire.

But I will also agree with Oracle that TCs don't seem to be interested to be Cypriots. They seem to prefer to be something separate.

Until the 1950s most TCs spoke Greek. Some TCs even had Greek as their main language. Don't you think that it is perfectly natural for a minority to speak the language of the majority? You are a TC but you live in a place where English is the most used language, so you learned English. Is there something wrong with that? Do you think that the Greek or Kurdish minorities who live in Turkey don't know how to speak Turkish? Of course they do!

Unfortunately the TC leadership and Turkey did everything possible for stopping TCs from integrating with the rest of the Cypriot people, and they used force to reverse the process of integration by prohibiting from TCs to speak Greek.

Given time, this would have happened but for the events of the '60's. The prevalent Nationalist movements of both sides ruined that chance. Banning of the teaching of Greek in our secondary schools in 1958 ( I think) was a criminal act. Why did the British Authorities allow this? Now we know.!!

There were also significant number of Turkish speaking GCs.. This was a unique situation for mixed villages . It has nothing to do with smaller ethnic group was being lingually assimilated by the language of larger ethnic group...

as u know Insan we have a regular meetings at buyukhan every saturday and at our meetings i found out 95% of them can understand and speak Turkish .

Sounds like your meetings only attract those who already have an interest in speaking/improving their Turkish and that figure is in no way reflective of the general population.

I was once waiting on the bus to Limassol shortly before it was due to depart at the terminus in Nicosia. A confused looking Cypriot boarded and asked, in Turkish, if anybody could speak Turkish. I was surprised to see several elderly Greek Cypriots on the bus immediately answer in the affirmative, and confirm to him in Turkish that he was on the right bus to get to Limassol.

OK ... so some elderly people (all definitely GCs?) understand Turkish for "Limassol" ...

Anyway, looking at halil's (poor) post again, I suppose he may have meant 95% spoke Turkish because they were Turkish Settlers (and hence did not speak TC dialect ).

The ambiguities arising from halil's posts are endless ....

I agree that 95% of the Greek Cypriot population are not fluent in Turkish, but a few elderly people who grew up in mixed villages/suburbs are. The people in the incident I am referring to were undoubtedly GCs and their Turkish extended much further than simply understanding 'Limassol'. Some of them were conversing in Turkish to this man for the whole extent of the journey.

[B25]

Tim, did the GCs set about him/them? beat them? Eat them? Show any form of animosity towards them?

If the answer is NO, the the TCs on this forum are talking out of their bums when they refer to needing guarantees and safe guards.

Freddie, Insan, VP, Zanny and any other motherfucker TCs reading, are you listening????

Cheers