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MicAtCyp no disrespect but you are talking out of your arse, you seem to make things up as you go along, eg we have ultra political pressure groups you cant see them but we have TC agents all over the world and they apply pressure to help lobby world leaders to undermine GCs and their plight to turn Cyprus in a Greek state. (Thats the type of verbal rubbish you churn out imo)

May I remind you that our administration is not called a pseudo but Cyprus Government

you and the world can call them what you like as far as I am concerned they represent only the GC community and are your administration, surely I have his right??? just as you can call us pseudo state, president, humans whatever.... we are immune to these labels after 31 years...

As for your comment you are right.We did not press our leadership to reveal you the finest details of what we want because that would kill our negotiating position.In other words your side would just take the points and start scrabbing without leaving us any alternative. But you are wrong in saying that we did not explain our positions.If it was so then Prendercast would not be able to do anything.

Maybe its a fear that your demands will be so extreem that revealing them will also reveal again tot he world that your only target is turn Cyprus into a Greek state where we are a minority. This only indicates you are not confident enough that we will accept your extreem demands and that once negotiations commence we will not be able to say no??? strange logic because thisl eads me to believe you are playing a game and have ulterior motives of trying to reverse the tables into making us the bad guys again by placing all your extreem demands on the table in the hope that we will leave saying thus accusing us of not wanting a soluiton. Prendegast was so amazed at your demands that he clearly stated the gap between the 2 sides is far to wide to restart talks.

How was unbalanced? You want economic advance through trade.We want our properties back.You give us 1 quarted of what we want we give you 1 quarter of what you want too. Or are you saying the quarters are not equal because the one is gold and the other is silver. Well the gold was never yours anyway.Moreover according to the maps the Americans disigned from the good old partition days of Gallo Plaza Varoshia was never in.
Alright , alright I know you don't know these things and you think that the Turkish army juuust took what it took by accident....

MicAtCyp I would have thought you would have realized the state of play changed in 1974 I have something you want and you have something I want, its a matter of negotiating how its best to exchange via a solution. What you feel maybe balanced maybe totally unbalancd for me so we have no exchange no progress.

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MicAtCyp I would have thought you would have realized the state of play changed in 1974 I have something you want and you have something I want, its a matter of negotiating how its best to exchange via a solution. What you feel maybe balanced maybe totally unbalancd for me so we have no exchange no progress.

You are prepared to give us crumbs in order to get EVERYHING you want.

Our side has given a list of areas where we wish to negotiate. The Turkish side after saying yes to the disguised partition plan of Kofi Annan is quite happy to sit back and push for various states of recognition. The TC's never negotiated anything. Prior to the referendum and Burgenstok, the meetings between Papadopoulos and Denktas resulted in the GC's presenting many documents which were written to add the substance to the plan whilst Denktas was essentially filibustering and talking his usual rhetorical rubbish. At Burgenstok it was all Turkey. What have the TC's ever negotiated over the years? All they ever seem to do is to follow what Turkey tells them to do.

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-mikkie2

All they ever seem to do is to follow what Turkey tells them to do.

Another name for it maybe good relations, having the same objectives and goals, collaboration, does this make you uncomfortable?

[MicAtCyp]

MicAtCyp no disrespect but you are talking out of your arse, you seem to make things up as you go along, eg we have ultra political pressure groups you cant see them but we have TC agents all over the world and they apply pressure to help lobby world leaders to undermine GCs and their plight to turn Cyprus in a Greek state. (Thats the type of verbal rubbish you churn out imo)

This part of your post is totally meaningless to me. Furthermore it contains insulting language that imo should be avoided. Because it could fire more offensive language back and then you would complain, wouldn’t you?

you and the world can call them what you like as far as I am concerned they represent only the GC community and are your administration, surely I have his right??? just as you can call us pseudo state, president, humans whatever.... we are immune to these labels after 31 years...

We discussed this matter before. Can you tell me who represents you and where? When for example you go to a University in the UK paying limited tuition like all EU citizens who is behind you on that? May I also remind you that the RoC already represents all it's citizens meaning GCs, Armenians,Maronites and Latins.

Maybe its a fear that your demands will be so extreem that revealing them will also reveal again tot he world that your only target is turn Cyprus into a Greek state where we are a minority. This only indicates you are not confident enough that we will accept your extreem demands and that once negotiations commence we will not be able to say no??? strange logic because thisl eads me to believe you are playing a game and have ulterior motives of trying to reverse the tables into making us the bad guys again by placing all your extreem demands on the table in the hope that we will leave saying thus accusing us of not wanting a soluiton. Prendegast was so amazed at your demands that he clearly stated the gap between the 2 sides is far to wide to restart talks.

Like you said Maybe.... That's your assumption. Too far stretched away from reality imo.

As for Prendercast been "amazed" you shouldn’t read or eat the "ketschup" the Turkish dailies add on the toast. The toast was that Prendercast realised that the positions of the 2 sides are very far away to start a new dialogue. He was not amazed of our demands(what demands???) and remained in apathy for your demands. Simply he noted a fact.
Well you know our positions.See them in the post of Kifeas concerning the 25 points.I understand your position is the hediye (present) called Anan Plan the Americans donated you. Not accepted mana mou, forget it.

MicAtCyp I would have thought you would have realized the state of play changed in 1974 I have something you want and you have something I want, its a matter of negotiating how its best to exchange via a solution. What you feel maybe balanced maybe totally unbalancd for me so we have no exchange no progress.

Again, I explained you very clearly my reasoning why imo was a balanced proposal. On the other hand I don't see any reasoning for the opposite from you.All I hear from you is "it's not balanced just because thats what Talat said". Give me your reasoning VP!

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All they ever seem to do is to follow what Turkey tells them to do.


Another name for it maybe good relations, having the same objectives and goals, collaboration, does this make you uncomfortable

Not at all! If that makes you happy no problem for us.You realise of course that this way you will never see a solution for as long as you live. ....