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Bones Found Near Tbilisi Rewrite Human Evolution, With Georgia as “Cradle of the First Europeans”
Submitted by MalcolmJ on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 14:35

One of the skulls dug up at Dmanisi. Is it evidence of a missing chapter in human history? Picture from Wikimedia Commons.The book of human history will need a slight redraft, if a remarkable claim by a prominent Georgian anthropologist and archaeologist – on the basis of human remains recently excavated at a site not far from the Georgian capital Tbilisi – is true.

The skulls, jawbones and fragments of limb bones dug up between 1991 and 2007 near the medieval village of Dmanisi in the foothills of the Caucuses are, according to Professor David Lordkipanidze – Director General of the Georgian National Museum – indisputably the oldest human fossils found outside of Africa, at around 1.8 millions years of age. He speculates that the “hominins” from which they derive – people with brains only about 40% the size of modern man’s ancient ancestors Homo erectus, and a much smaller physical stature – are evidence of a precursor to Homo erectus, provisionally called “Homo georgicus.”

“Before our findings,” said Lordkipanidze, while delivering the British Council lecture at the British Science Festival in Guildford, “the prevailing view was that humans came out of Africa almost 1 million years ago, that they already had sophisticated stone tools, and that their body anatomy was quite advanced in terms of brain capacity and limb proportions. But what we are finding is quite different.

"The prevailing view was that humans came out of Africa almost 1 million years ago. But what we are finding is quite different." -- Professor David Lordkipanidze“The Dmanisi hominins are the earliest representatives of our own genus – Homo – outside Africa,” he continued, “and they represent the most primitive population of the species Homo erectus to date. They might be ancestral to all later Homo erectus populations, which would suggest a Eurasian origin of Homo erectus.”

Lordkipanidze went on to explain that a “vice-versa migration” may have taken place, whereby “Homo georgicus” migrated from Africa to Eurasia over 1.8 million years ago, evolved into Homo erectus, then returned to Africa to continue the story of mankind as we understand it.

Basically, an interlude in human history occurred.

However “Homo georgicus” fit into the grand scheme of evolution, what seems beyond doubt is that they were the first people known to have set foot on European soil. “Georgia is the cradle of the first Europeans, I would say,” Lordkipanidze concluded.

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[Oracle]

This has been under debate for some years now. The message and inferences by the Prof have been highly edited to produce a misleading speculation.

Older related fossils have been found in Africa which still suggests Africa is the cradle but that migrations out of Africa by early hominids occurred more than once and this is just one of them, being in fact the oldest to date.

The ancestral line from those specimens is broken, which suggest they either became extinct or migrated back to Africa, evolving and competing alongside other hominids of which only one led to modern day Humans.

[insan]

This has been under debate for some years now. The message and inferences by the Prof have been highly edited to produce a misleading speculation.

Older related fossils have been found in Africa which still suggests Africa is the cradle but that migrations out of Africa by early hominids occurred more than once and this is just one of them, being in fact the oldest to date.

The ancestral line from those specimens is broken, which suggest they either became extinct or migrated back to Africa, evolving and competing alongside other hominids of which only one led to modern day Humans.

The map u posted shows that 1.8M years old skulls were found in Georgia but does not have any indication that older than 1.8M years old skull were found anywhere in Africa...

[BOF]

the leakey family found many remains at Olduvai gorge in Kenya (an interesting visit) but now older remains have i believe been found at lake
Turkana in northern Kenya. And footprints of an adult and child preserved in solidified mud are also thought to be much older.
But i think the oldest remains to date found in Africa just across the border into Ethiopia are 4.4 million years old.
BOF

[Oracle]

This is from Nature, a few weeks ago ...

It is a summary (by Dalton) of the main fossilized early human skeletons from Ethiopia, Kenya, Chad etc. They span several million years. The oldest Homo species is over 2 Million years old.

[Free Spirit]

One thing that is certain is that we still don't have a clue where Get Real originated from.

[yialousa1971]

More nonsense!

[yialousa1971]

This is from Nature, a few weeks ago ...

It is a summary (by Dalton) of the main fossilized early human skeletons from Ethiopia, Kenya, Chad etc. They span several million years. The oldest Homo species is over 2 Million years old.

They were not humans but apes, next you will be saying Turks are human.

[CBBB]

One thing that is certain is that we still don't have a clue where Get Real originated from.

I thought he came from the planet Nibiru?

[BOF]

This is from Nature, a few weeks ago ...

It is a summary (by Dalton) of the main fossilized early human skeletons from Ethiopia, Kenya, Chad etc. They span several million years. The oldest Homo species is over 2 Million years old.

This story relates to "ardi" shown on the chart you posted



this from washinton post :
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Last Updated: 10:55 AM, October 1, 2009

Posted: 10:54 AM, October 1, 2009

WASHINGTON — The story of humankind is reaching back another million years with the discovery of "Ardi," a hominid who lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia. </p><br>
The 110-pound, 4-foot female roamed forests a million years before the famous Lucy, long studied as the earliest skeleton of a human ancestor.<p>
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This older skeleton reverses the common wisdom of human evolution, said anthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University.<p>
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Rather than humans evolving from an ancient chimp-like creature, the new find provides evidence that chimps and humans evolved from some long-ago common ancestor — but each evolved and changed separately along the way.<p>
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"This is not that common ancestor, but it's the closest we have ever been able to come," said Tim White, director of the Human Evolution Research Center at the University of California, Berkeley.<p>
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The lines that evolved into modern humans and living apes probably shared an ancestor 6 million to 7 million years ago, White said in a telephone interview.<p>