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Is so-called RoC being taken to EJC by EU?

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Postby insan » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:17 am

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:...and in 1975 leaders of 2 communities agreed to find a solution in frame of a bi-zonal federation.

No single person can “agree” to partition Cyprus without the approval of Cypriots so you can forget about all UN Charter violations attempted in the past... because Cyprus is a UN recognized sovereign nation entitled to 100% of its territory, with or without the people they call “Turkish Cypriots”.


Ur intransigence will end up with permenant partition, GR... the local, regional and international circumstances r now suitable for permenant partition of Cyprus... in the first quarter of 2010, majority of GCs will give consent the permenant partition of Cyprus. Note this down...
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Re: Is so-called RoC being taken to EJC by EU?

Postby Lit » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:15 am

insan wrote:THE EU has activated the second stage of the infringement procedure over restrictions Cyprus places on estate agents, the Commission said yesterday.

“The Commission will send a formal request to Cyprus concerning its national legislation restricting the activities of estate agents,” a Commission press release said.

The request will be in the form of a reasoned opinion, the second stage of the infringement procedure stipulated by EU laws.

If Cyprus fails to provide a satisfactory explanation within two months, the Commission may refer the matter to the European Court of Justice.


There is nothing so called about the Republic of Cyprus. We are recognized internationally by every country on this earth with the exception of mamma Turkey. The so called should be used to refer to the backwater of a breakaway state that you live in. Get it right ;-)
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Re: Is so-called RoC being taken to EJC by EU?

Postby insan » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:59 am

Lit wrote:
insan wrote:THE EU has activated the second stage of the infringement procedure over restrictions Cyprus places on estate agents, the Commission said yesterday.

“The Commission will send a formal request to Cyprus concerning its national legislation restricting the activities of estate agents,” a Commission press release said.

The request will be in the form of a reasoned opinion, the second stage of the infringement procedure stipulated by EU laws.

If Cyprus fails to provide a satisfactory explanation within two months, the Commission may refer the matter to the European Court of Justice.


There is nothing so called about the Republic of Cyprus. We are recognized internationally by every country on this earth with the exception of mamma Turkey. The so called should be used to refer to the backwater of a breakaway state that you live in. Get it right ;-)


It's only ur(plural) interpretation... whole world, except u the motives behind the legitimacy of the so-called RoC...
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Postby Gregory » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:26 am

insan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:
Gregory wrote:Not a bad move by the EU. Its one of the outdated laws in Cyprus that needs clarification.

If Cyprus fails to provide a satisfactory explanation within two months, the Commission may refer the matter to the European Court of JusticeEuropean Court of Justice,


Its still not as glamorous as all the other ECJ daytrips Turkey and a few Brit freloaders are having to take part in recently. How do you compare going to the ECJ for a law limiting estate agents actions with massacres and stolen property. :?


I didn't make any comparison with anything... furthermore, massacres committed by both sides...

Moreover, if u were under embargoes; u would have to sell TC property to survive...

One more thing to add, only 11% of land belong to GCs was sold to foreigners in 35 years... TCs have much more than that 11% in South to exchange.


What are you exchanging insan? And with whom? The rules of exchanging something is when you have 2 willing parties to exchange with. I don't recall the GC's ever agreeing to exchange anything.

Its an interesting ethical question you pose however with your claim that the embargoes have pushed you into selling land you don't own to foreigners.
You have a mother country that runs the occupied territories and pays your inneficient civil service on time (1/3 of TC's work for the administration from what I understand.)
You are able to freely trade all your goods and services with a market as large as Turkey's which is one of only 2 reasons the EU would ever need a country as complex and problematic as Turkey into the union
You have allowed the investments of Turkish companies in the form of casinos. hotels and other leisure activities, which bring jobs to the TC's
You have bypassed international laws and bring flights loaded with tourists by stopping over in Turkey....

Where are the embargoes? If we had a commited market like Turkey to deal with where its actually a govt instruction to do business and spend tourism cash in the island I think we'd be in an even better financial position.

So where in all this were you "forced" to turn to crime?


Gregory, u know in an island like Cyprus the primary income resource is tourism but due to embargoes and especially intensive, negative propaganda of Greek/GC lobby; we have been deprived from this huge income resource...

You believe it or not, I have never wished Cyprus being divided and Cypriots(GC,TC) had to flee and abandon their ancestral homes and lands to save their lives under the hostile circumstances of 1974 but it's happened and in 1975 leaders of 2 communities agreed to find a solution in frame of a bi-zonal federation.

If i were the leader of any of the 2 communities, I would have made a proposal urgently solving refugee and property issues...

How?

First of all I would have returned some 10% of land(Varosha included) that would allow abt 50.000 refugees to return... This was proposed by TC leadership in 1978 but rejected by GC leadership.

Furthermore, I would put on agenda the establishment of a bi-communal properties board to let refugees decide whether they wish to exchange and/or restitution and/or compensation of their lands and properties...

I would make an interim agreement with some preconditions:

1- Recognition of 2 interim federal governments of Cyprus until a lasting solution acceptable to both sides found.

2- Prohibition of the sale of the lands and properties belong to refugees.

3- Establishment of a bi-communal committee to investigate the fates of the missing persons.

4- Establishment of a bi-communal committee of reconciliation.

5- Establishment of a bi-communal committee of protecting cultural heritage and religous foundations.

Unfortunately our incompetent leaders and politicians; besides so-called media only were capable to act in direction of perpetuateing division, prejudices and hatred. :?


Hey Insan,
I believe you when you say you never wishes for a divided country. Not many people would from either side (whether this is for selfish quality of ife reasons or loyalty to the ideals of the island of Cyprus).

Your points are welcomed just from the point of view that you propose aomething (which is more than many others on this forum do not) however I could not disagree more with them.

An equal status of 2 federal states for any particular lenght in time would adjust the balance of power to the Turkish side in one big overwhelming swoop. Not only would you have millitary might on your side but also international legitimacy. This brings me to the 78 deal you spoke about

.....damn I need to go but I'll get back to this. Just as a prelude I need to remind you that Congress was about to vote on removing the weapons embargo from Turkey a few months later. A little but like now with the EU report coming out in December.
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Re: Is so-called RoC being taken to EJC by EU?

Postby Oracle » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:18 am

insan wrote:
Lit wrote:
insan wrote:THE EU has activated the second stage of the infringement procedure over restrictions Cyprus places on estate agents, the Commission said yesterday.

“The Commission will send a formal request to Cyprus concerning its national legislation restricting the activities of estate agents,” a Commission press release said.

The request will be in the form of a reasoned opinion, the second stage of the infringement procedure stipulated by EU laws.

If Cyprus fails to provide a satisfactory explanation within two months, the Commission may refer the matter to the European Court of Justice.


There is nothing so called about the Republic of Cyprus. We are recognized internationally by every country on this earth with the exception of mamma Turkey. The so called should be used to refer to the backwater of a breakaway state that you live in. Get it right ;-)


It's only ur(plural) interpretation... whole world, except u the motives behind the legitimacy of the so-called RoC...


Seems your community's minority status is reflected in your mental minority views.
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Re: Is so-called RoC being taken to EJC by EU?

Postby B25 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:36 am

insan wrote:
Lit wrote:
insan wrote:THE EU has activated the second stage of the infringement procedure over restrictions Cyprus places on estate agents, the Commission said yesterday.

“The Commission will send a formal request to Cyprus concerning its national legislation restricting the activities of estate agents,” a Commission press release said.

The request will be in the form of a reasoned opinion, the second stage of the infringement procedure stipulated by EU laws.

If Cyprus fails to provide a satisfactory explanation within two months, the Commission may refer the matter to the European Court of Justice.


There is nothing so called about the Republic of Cyprus. We are recognized internationally by every country on this earth with the exception of mamma Turkey. The so called should be used to refer to the backwater of a breakaway state that you live in. Get it right ;-)


It's only ur(plural) interpretation... whole world, except u the motives behind the legitimacy of the so-called RoC...


Insan, perhaps the RoC will be taken to the ECJ, but at least it can be taken there. Do you know why?? Because it is a legally recognised country, unlike the TRNC that can't be taken anywhere beacause NO ONE RECOGNISES YOU!

Thats why Turkey are always in hot water and NOT YOU..

:lol: :lol: Bring it on buster :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:34 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:...and in 1975 leaders of 2 communities agreed to find a solution in frame of a bi-zonal federation.

No single person can “agree” to partition Cyprus without the approval of Cypriots so you can forget about all UN Charter violations attempted in the past... because Cyprus is a UN recognized sovereign nation entitled to 100% of its territory, with or without the people they call “Turkish Cypriots”.


Ur intransigence will end up with permenant partition, GR...

Then my intransigence should suit you and Turkey just fine! :wink:
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:47 pm

Do not get your knickers in a twist everyone. ALL NATIONS members of the EU have at some point or other been threatened with a summons to the ECJ.

And please do not confuse the ECJ with the ECHR court, they are totally different bodies applying different rules.

Only member states of the EU can access the ECJ.

Only states signatories to the European Convention of Humanr Rights and members of the Council of Europe can access the ECHR and only for matters arsing from violations of the Convention.
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Postby insan » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:47 pm

Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:
Gregory wrote:Not a bad move by the EU. Its one of the outdated laws in Cyprus that needs clarification.

If Cyprus fails to provide a satisfactory explanation within two months, the Commission may refer the matter to the European Court of JusticeEuropean Court of Justice,


Its still not as glamorous as all the other ECJ daytrips Turkey and a few Brit freloaders are having to take part in recently. How do you compare going to the ECJ for a law limiting estate agents actions with massacres and stolen property. :?


I didn't make any comparison with anything... furthermore, massacres committed by both sides...

Moreover, if u were under embargoes; u would have to sell TC property to survive...

One more thing to add, only 11% of land belong to GCs was sold to foreigners in 35 years... TCs have much more than that 11% in South to exchange.


What are you exchanging insan? And with whom? The rules of exchanging something is when you have 2 willing parties to exchange with. I don't recall the GC's ever agreeing to exchange anything.

Its an interesting ethical question you pose however with your claim that the embargoes have pushed you into selling land you don't own to foreigners.
You have a mother country that runs the occupied territories and pays your inneficient civil service on time (1/3 of TC's work for the administration from what I understand.)
You are able to freely trade all your goods and services with a market as large as Turkey's which is one of only 2 reasons the EU would ever need a country as complex and problematic as Turkey into the union
You have allowed the investments of Turkish companies in the form of casinos. hotels and other leisure activities, which bring jobs to the TC's
You have bypassed international laws and bring flights loaded with tourists by stopping over in Turkey....

Where are the embargoes? If we had a commited market like Turkey to deal with where its actually a govt instruction to do business and spend tourism cash in the island I think we'd be in an even better financial position.

So where in all this were you "forced" to turn to crime?


Gregory, u know in an island like Cyprus the primary income resource is tourism but due to embargoes and especially intensive, negative propaganda of Greek/GC lobby; we have been deprived from this huge income resource...

You believe it or not, I have never wished Cyprus being divided and Cypriots(GC,TC) had to flee and abandon their ancestral homes and lands to save their lives under the hostile circumstances of 1974 but it's happened and in 1975 leaders of 2 communities agreed to find a solution in frame of a bi-zonal federation.

If i were the leader of any of the 2 communities, I would have made a proposal urgently solving refugee and property issues...

How?

First of all I would have returned some 10% of land(Varosha included) that would allow abt 50.000 refugees to return... This was proposed by TC leadership in 1978 but rejected by GC leadership.

Furthermore, I would put on agenda the establishment of a bi-communal properties board to let refugees decide whether they wish to exchange and/or restitution and/or compensation of their lands and properties...

I would make an interim agreement with some preconditions:

1- Recognition of 2 interim federal governments of Cyprus until a lasting solution acceptable to both sides found.

2- Prohibition of the sale of the lands and properties belong to refugees.

3- Establishment of a bi-communal committee to investigate the fates of the missing persons.

4- Establishment of a bi-communal committee of reconciliation.

5- Establishment of a bi-communal committee of protecting cultural heritage and religous foundations.

Unfortunately our incompetent leaders and politicians; besides so-called media only were capable to act in direction of perpetuateing division, prejudices and hatred. :?


Hey Insan,
I believe you when you say you never wishes for a divided country. Not many people would from either side (whether this is for selfish quality of ife reasons or loyalty to the ideals of the island of Cyprus).

Your points are welcomed just from the point of view that you propose aomething (which is more than many others on this forum do not) however I could not disagree more with them.

An equal status of 2 federal states for any particular lenght in time would adjust the balance of power to the Turkish side in one big overwhelming swoop. Not only would you have millitary might on your side but also international legitimacy. This brings me to the 78 deal you spoke about

.....damn I need to go but I'll get back to this. Just as a prelude I need to remind you that Congress was about to vote on removing the weapons embargo from Turkey a few months later. A little but like now with the EU report coming out in December.


When u come back please pay attention that i didn't suggest 2 interim federal states but 2 interim federal governments of Cyprus... and I can't understand how u came to a conclusion that there would be some ill intentions of TC-Turkish side hidden behind those proposals.
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