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Postby Piratis » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:22 am

YFred wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Just checked out Politis, there is no mention of any such use of TC land.

What there is is an interesting article on the reziliki known as the Properties Commission operating in the occupied areas.

Some of the applicants record their adventure with the Commission and how one TC lawyer included a bribe in his list of expenses presented to the client. Others tell of members of the Commission approaching them off the record with "friendly" suggestins that they should accept the counteroffer, usually at 10 per cent of the current value of the property because it is either that or nothing.

So what is better, to have your land managed by the TC land administrator, with your title intact, or to have your land illegally "nationalised" and then be told you can reclaim it via a kangaroo court which gives you one tenth its value?

Where are those foreign members of the Commission who are supposed to be sitting along with the TC members in hearings? So far no one has spotted them.

Here is the article.

30] Cypriot government to grant title deeds to G/C refugees
NICOSIA, 20/2/2006 (CNA/ANA-MPA)
Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos announced on Saturday the government's decision to implement a plan granting refugees title deeds for their homes at refugee estates or housing estates and to provide counter measures to other refugees living in Turkish Cypriot properties or T/C land in the government controlled areas of the Republic.
Announcing the plan after an extraordinary meeting of the cabinet, the resident underlined that the plan approved here Saturday was "neither easy nor simple".

In his statement, President Papadopoulos said the government decided to "implement a complete plan, within its capabilities, granting a comprehensive and as much as possible, fair solution to the issue of title deeds for houses in refugee estates and housing estates" affecting around 25,000 families.

He also said the government decided to grant counter measures to all those displaced persons living in Turkish Cypriot property in the free areas of the Republic or in houses that were built in land belonging to Turkish Cypriots.

Around 13 thousand displaced persons who legally and permanently reside in refugee estates or housing estates that were built on government land or land that was expropriated will receive title deeds within the next two years.

The government also decided to allot and grant government land to around 8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

It will also allot government land to around 5,000 displaced persons who are legally living in Turkish Cypriot properties following the 1974 Turkish invasion and occupation of the island's northern third.

President Papadopoulos said that the prime concern of the government was to handle in the most impartial manner, "this complicated issue and to prepare a general plan that would grant the maximum level of justice to all refugees".

"The solution approved today (Saturday) by the cabinet was neither simple nor easy. Please bear in mind the many and complex problems were tackled providing practical and feasible solutions", the president added.


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YFred, did you finish the elementary school? Here is a task for you. Quote me the part in the above article that says that says that TCs will be given title deeds to TC land.
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Postby YFred » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:30 am

Piratis wrote:
YFred wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Just checked out Politis, there is no mention of any such use of TC land.

What there is is an interesting article on the reziliki known as the Properties Commission operating in the occupied areas.

Some of the applicants record their adventure with the Commission and how one TC lawyer included a bribe in his list of expenses presented to the client. Others tell of members of the Commission approaching them off the record with "friendly" suggestins that they should accept the counteroffer, usually at 10 per cent of the current value of the property because it is either that or nothing.

So what is better, to have your land managed by the TC land administrator, with your title intact, or to have your land illegally "nationalised" and then be told you can reclaim it via a kangaroo court which gives you one tenth its value?

Where are those foreign members of the Commission who are supposed to be sitting along with the TC members in hearings? So far no one has spotted them.

Here is the article.

30] Cypriot government to grant title deeds to G/C refugees
NICOSIA, 20/2/2006 (CNA/ANA-MPA)
Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos announced on Saturday the government's decision to implement a plan granting refugees title deeds for their homes at refugee estates or housing estates and to provide counter measures to other refugees living in Turkish Cypriot properties or T/C land in the government controlled areas of the Republic.
Announcing the plan after an extraordinary meeting of the cabinet, the resident underlined that the plan approved here Saturday was "neither easy nor simple".

In his statement, President Papadopoulos said the government decided to "implement a complete plan, within its capabilities, granting a comprehensive and as much as possible, fair solution to the issue of title deeds for houses in refugee estates and housing estates" affecting around 25,000 families.

He also said the government decided to grant counter measures to all those displaced persons living in Turkish Cypriot property in the free areas of the Republic or in houses that were built in land belonging to Turkish Cypriots.

Around 13 thousand displaced persons who legally and permanently reside in refugee estates or housing estates that were built on government land or land that was expropriated will receive title deeds within the next two years.

The government also decided to allot and grant government land to around 8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

It will also allot government land to around 5,000 displaced persons who are legally living in Turkish Cypriot properties following the 1974 Turkish invasion and occupation of the island's northern third.

President Papadopoulos said that the prime concern of the government was to handle in the most impartial manner, "this complicated issue and to prepare a general plan that would grant the maximum level of justice to all refugees".

"The solution approved today (Saturday) by the cabinet was neither simple nor easy. Please bear in mind the many and complex problems were tackled providing practical and feasible solutions", the president added.


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YFred, did you finish the elementary school? Here is a task for you. Quote me the part in the above article that says that says that TCs will be given title deeds to TC land.

Piratis, I have no formal education but here is the illigal bit.
8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

To add insult to injury, they passed a law that made it illigal to build on TC land.
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:30 am

Are you feeling OK up there in the UK?

That is an article from 2006, that is old news and no TC land was involved. You got me going through every bit of today's Politis looking for a non existent piece. Oyve!
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Postby Piratis » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:35 am

YFred wrote:
Piratis wrote:
YFred wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Just checked out Politis, there is no mention of any such use of TC land.

What there is is an interesting article on the reziliki known as the Properties Commission operating in the occupied areas.

Some of the applicants record their adventure with the Commission and how one TC lawyer included a bribe in his list of expenses presented to the client. Others tell of members of the Commission approaching them off the record with "friendly" suggestins that they should accept the counteroffer, usually at 10 per cent of the current value of the property because it is either that or nothing.

So what is better, to have your land managed by the TC land administrator, with your title intact, or to have your land illegally "nationalised" and then be told you can reclaim it via a kangaroo court which gives you one tenth its value?

Where are those foreign members of the Commission who are supposed to be sitting along with the TC members in hearings? So far no one has spotted them.

Here is the article.

30] Cypriot government to grant title deeds to G/C refugees
NICOSIA, 20/2/2006 (CNA/ANA-MPA)
Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos announced on Saturday the government's decision to implement a plan granting refugees title deeds for their homes at refugee estates or housing estates and to provide counter measures to other refugees living in Turkish Cypriot properties or T/C land in the government controlled areas of the Republic.
Announcing the plan after an extraordinary meeting of the cabinet, the resident underlined that the plan approved here Saturday was "neither easy nor simple".

In his statement, President Papadopoulos said the government decided to "implement a complete plan, within its capabilities, granting a comprehensive and as much as possible, fair solution to the issue of title deeds for houses in refugee estates and housing estates" affecting around 25,000 families.

He also said the government decided to grant counter measures to all those displaced persons living in Turkish Cypriot property in the free areas of the Republic or in houses that were built in land belonging to Turkish Cypriots.

Around 13 thousand displaced persons who legally and permanently reside in refugee estates or housing estates that were built on government land or land that was expropriated will receive title deeds within the next two years.

The government also decided to allot and grant government land to around 8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

It will also allot government land to around 5,000 displaced persons who are legally living in Turkish Cypriot properties following the 1974 Turkish invasion and occupation of the island's northern third.

President Papadopoulos said that the prime concern of the government was to handle in the most impartial manner, "this complicated issue and to prepare a general plan that would grant the maximum level of justice to all refugees".

"The solution approved today (Saturday) by the cabinet was neither simple nor easy. Please bear in mind the many and complex problems were tackled providing practical and feasible solutions", the president added.


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YFred, did you finish the elementary school? Here is a task for you. Quote me the part in the above article that says that says that TCs will be given title deeds to TC land.

Piratis, I have no formal education but here is the illigal bit.
8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

To add insult to injury, they passed a law that made it illigal to build on TC land.


Mate, the refugees are living in TC properties since 1974 because you stole their own properties. But they were never given any title deeds to these properties. They live there temporarily until they can return to their own homes.

So why don't you end the illegal occupation of Cyprus so those people can return to their own homes?
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Postby YFred » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:36 am

Nikitas wrote:Are you feeling OK up there in the UK?

That is an article from 2006, that is old news and no TC land was involved. You got me going through every bit of today's Politis looking for a non existent piece. Oyve!

Sorry, it's Kibris that said it appeared in Politis. I didn't say when it was published in Politis.

UK is doing well. we have warm weather for October.
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Postby YFred » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:38 am

Piratis wrote:
YFred wrote:
Piratis wrote:
YFred wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Just checked out Politis, there is no mention of any such use of TC land.

What there is is an interesting article on the reziliki known as the Properties Commission operating in the occupied areas.

Some of the applicants record their adventure with the Commission and how one TC lawyer included a bribe in his list of expenses presented to the client. Others tell of members of the Commission approaching them off the record with "friendly" suggestins that they should accept the counteroffer, usually at 10 per cent of the current value of the property because it is either that or nothing.

So what is better, to have your land managed by the TC land administrator, with your title intact, or to have your land illegally "nationalised" and then be told you can reclaim it via a kangaroo court which gives you one tenth its value?

Where are those foreign members of the Commission who are supposed to be sitting along with the TC members in hearings? So far no one has spotted them.

Here is the article.

30] Cypriot government to grant title deeds to G/C refugees
NICOSIA, 20/2/2006 (CNA/ANA-MPA)
Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos announced on Saturday the government's decision to implement a plan granting refugees title deeds for their homes at refugee estates or housing estates and to provide counter measures to other refugees living in Turkish Cypriot properties or T/C land in the government controlled areas of the Republic.
Announcing the plan after an extraordinary meeting of the cabinet, the resident underlined that the plan approved here Saturday was "neither easy nor simple".

In his statement, President Papadopoulos said the government decided to "implement a complete plan, within its capabilities, granting a comprehensive and as much as possible, fair solution to the issue of title deeds for houses in refugee estates and housing estates" affecting around 25,000 families.

He also said the government decided to grant counter measures to all those displaced persons living in Turkish Cypriot property in the free areas of the Republic or in houses that were built in land belonging to Turkish Cypriots.

Around 13 thousand displaced persons who legally and permanently reside in refugee estates or housing estates that were built on government land or land that was expropriated will receive title deeds within the next two years.

The government also decided to allot and grant government land to around 8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

It will also allot government land to around 5,000 displaced persons who are legally living in Turkish Cypriot properties following the 1974 Turkish invasion and occupation of the island's northern third.

President Papadopoulos said that the prime concern of the government was to handle in the most impartial manner, "this complicated issue and to prepare a general plan that would grant the maximum level of justice to all refugees".

"The solution approved today (Saturday) by the cabinet was neither simple nor easy. Please bear in mind the many and complex problems were tackled providing practical and feasible solutions", the president added.


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YFred, did you finish the elementary school? Here is a task for you. Quote me the part in the above article that says that says that TCs will be given title deeds to TC land.

Piratis, I have no formal education but here is the illigal bit.
8,500 displaced persons who permanently and legally reside on the island in housing estates that were built in Turkish Cypriot land which was not expropriated nor can be expropriated.

To add insult to injury, they passed a law that made it illigal to build on TC land.


Mate, the refugees are living in TC properties since 1974 because you stole their own properties. But they were never given any title deeds to these properties. They live there temporarily until they can return to their own homes.

So why don't you end the illegal occupation of Cyprus so those people can return to their own homes?

Piratis, Don't you think I would like to have my land back from roc too, The point is the roc made the law and then broke it.
It really is not rocket science. I learned that in Lurucina primary school.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:44 am

YFred, it is the TCs who wanted partition since the 50s. Abandon your illegal plans for partition and let all Cypriots to get back to their own properties. What you complain about are the results of your partition dream. Partition requires ethnic cleansing and a forced exchange of land, both of which are of course illegal.
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Postby YFred » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:48 am

Piratis wrote:YFred, it is the TCs who wanted partition since the 50s. Abandon your illegal plans for partition and let all Cypriots to get back to their own properties. What you complain about are the results of your partition dream. Partition requires ethnic cleansing and a forced exchange of land, both of which are of course illegal.

No Piratis, GC wanted Enosis with Greece then TCs asked for Partition but that is politics. What we are talking about here is a legal government who passes laws and then breaks them in a racist manner. To how many GC properties did they implement the same without first expropriating them?
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:52 am

...anyway, the Law is the Law is the Law
we all live with the Rule of Law: anyone who commits
these illegal acts are condemned; and it is not about the colour of their speaking
...so crow you old crow woof woof, a good debate maybe but distorted
indeed, i hope the bastards who did in my family are found, no one would do differently
but i ain't no "Greek" or "Turk" when it comes to Justice, i choose as a Human being.
the facts ma'am, don't get too excited, let's stick to the facts...
in Cyprus it is no different.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:00 am

YFred wrote:To add insult to injury, they passed a law that made it illigal to build on TC land.

Can’t possibly be more insulting than the prostitution of GC properties for the last 35 years… or weren’t you worried about that?

As I said elsewhere, you’re going to start seeing the dark & nasty side of the Republic.
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