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[Kibrisli Turk]

Before socialist Mustafa from the New Cyprus Party in North Cyprus unexpectedly passed away, he said that hardliners were fascists and their widespread false propaganda has no space in a tiny island like Cyprus. He also believed, which he expressed in my regular contact with him when he was alive, that we should all rise above the idea of classing ourselves as being either "Greek" or "Turkish", but of being either a "Greek Speaking" or "Turkish Speaking" Cypriot. Despite the much tennis ball hard-line tactics seen on both sides in order to protect their so called "Interests", do you all not agree that the sooner we start the ball rolling on an amicable agreement, the sooner we could perhaps perfect it!

I'm not saying we should accept any old agreement handed to us by our respective leaders, but, do you not agree that they will never be able to pan out a prefect agreement first time?

What I am suggesting is, and I am sure the late Mustafa Mehmet of the New Cyprus Party would have agreed, that if we accept an agreement which is not entirely what we Cypriots want could we not change it IN TIME in order to perfect it?

The EU are in the process of changing/adopting the Lisbon treaty, where could we not have eventually brought the former Annan Plan in line with EU norms - eventually?

I say this because if we once again fail to unanimously sign a untied agreement for Cyprus, and I am only expressing what I have been readying in the press by both sides and the international community, would failure this time not be used as a pretext to partition. Even the EU have suggested this.

I am of the opinion that an agreement of a federal nature no matter how many so called derogation's, constituents or limits of any kind would eventually have to fall in line with EU norms - eventually. Or, am I being naive? I regard myself as a Cyprus - Turkish speaking, and would like to one believe, before I leave this world, that Cyprus has become an island that is demilitarised, self governing of its entire area and where all its people live in peace and are regarded as "Cypriots" regardless of where they believe their ethnicity may lie. Just take a look at some world examples of how people have united for the common state and how black, white, Indian, Asian, Greek, Turkish and others all live and respect the rules of law completely across the entire spectrum of government.

The past may have shown all of us some bloody moments, mostly due to only a few hardliners, brainwashed and full of hatred, but today it is a different world. The EU is now united, Nazi Germany does not exists and the soviet arm in eastern Europe is now a thing of the past.

Perhaps we should, and desperately need to move forward. After an agreement, we will naturally expect to see a new era of economic and political enhancement. We will see many Turkish, Greek, Asian and Arab business personalities jet-setting to and from Cyprus after a new peace deal, where I would even go to say that it would look similar to Dubai in some aspects.

Although I wasn't a supporter of the Annan Plan, ask yourself this question: What do you think Cyprus would have been like 4 years after? I believe it would have united all Cypriots completely. Unlike some who said that it would have split us along officially fault-lines, I believe that if the Turkish-administered Political isolation of the Turkish Cypriots could not build hatred against us since the Annan Plan, can you imagine how united we would have become in Cyprus if all Cypriots were free within their own country without any foreign influence?

I will say yes to any plan that is handed to me, only because I know the EU will be able to put it right, will one day even accept Turkey under a new relationship with GREECE, TURKEY and a UNITED CYPRUS.

Perhaps we should drop this chip on our shoulders of an ideal unification Blue Print and move on. I believe that is what President Christofias is trying to achieve.

Mustafa Mehmet believed in a united future Cyprus, where every Cypriot loved the island for what it is - Our home.

[zan]

In order to achieve all that we must have equality and representation so that Cyprus can become Cyprus and not Greece.

[Nikitas]

Cyprus is a long way from becoming Greece, or vice versa. Get off this hobby horse, it is dead, has been for many years.

[Piratis]

The agreement should be one that truly unites Cyprus, not one that officially divides Cyprus as it was the case with Annan plan.

Also I do not agree with the position of "accept something bad now and we can change it later" since the TCs would say "if you didn't like it you shouldn't have singed it". There is absolutely zero chance in peacefully improving something like Annan plan.

can you imagine how united we would have become in Cyprus if all Cypriots were free within their own country without any foreign influence?

What makes you believe that there would be no foreign influence? Turkey doesn't need the "trnc" to control the TCs. They controlled the TCs in the 50s, 60s and 70s as well. And with Annan plan many 10s of thousands of Turkish settlers would stay also.

Turkey controls the TCs by promising to them privileges, power and land on the expense of the rest of Cypriots. And the TCs are happy to return the favor to Turkey by helping Turkey to serve her own interests in Cyprus. If the blackmail by Turkey works, and TCs actually get what Turkey promised to them, then TCs will be even more indebted to Turkey than they have ever been before.

You belong in a small minority of TCs if you honestly want some bad agreement that would favor the TCs to change in the future. Most TCs would of course want to keep forever what favors them on our expense. And only Turkey can guarantee to TCs that they will continue to have those unfair privileges. Without Turkey and her blackmails CYprus would be allowed to became a normal democratic country, and that is the last thing most TCs want. For this reason TCs will continue to serve Turkey's interests even after a bad "solution".

The only thing that would make TCs less dependent on Turkey is if Cyprus becomes a normal democratic country and TCs get in Cyprus what every minority gets in every other country. In this way the TCs would gain nothing from their relationship with Turkey, and they will not have to return any favors to Turkey by serving Ankaras interests in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Cyprus is a long way from becoming Greece, or vice versa. Get off this hobby horse, it is dead, has been for many years.

Are we just supposed to accept your word for it or a re you willing to sign into any new agreement safegurds and guarantees that you will never again attempt to turn Cyprus into Greece.

[Viewpoint]

The agreement should be one that truly unites Cyprus, not one that officially divides Cyprus as it was the case with Annan plan.

Also I do not agree with the position of "accept something bad now and we can change it later" since the TCs would say "if you didn't like it you shouldn't have singed it". There is absolutely zero chance in peacefully improving something like Annan plan.

can you imagine how united we would have become in Cyprus if all Cypriots were free within their own country without any foreign influence?

What makes you believe that there would be no foreign influence? Turkey doesn't need the "trnc" to control the TCs. They controlled the TCs in the 50s, 60s and 70s as well. And with Annan plan many 10s of thousands of Turkish settlers would stay also.

Turkey controls the TCs by promising to them privileges, power and land on the expense of the rest of Cypriots. And the TCs are happy to return the favor to Turkey by helping Turkey to serve her own interests in Cyprus. If the blackmail by Turkey works, and TCs actually get what Turkey promised to them, then TCs will be even more indebted to Turkey than they have ever been before.

You belong in a small minority of TCs if you honestly want some bad agreement that would favor the TCs to change in the future. Most TCs would of course want to keep forever what favors them on our expense. And only Turkey can guarantee to TCs that they will continue to have those unfair privileges. Without Turkey and her blackmails CYprus would be allowed to became a normal democratic country, and that is the last thing most TCs want. For this reason TCs will continue to serve Turkey's interests even after a bad "solution".

The only thing that would make TCs less dependent on Turkey is if Cyprus becomes a normal democratic country and TCs get in Cyprus what every minority gets in every other country. In this way the TCs would gain nothing from their relationship with Turkey, and they will not have to return any favors to Turkey by serving Ankaras interests in Cyprus.

Why would we want to live as just another minority under GCs? This is our worst nightmare and the TRNC with all its many imperfections is a far better option than capitulating to GC demands, when will you get that into your heads?

[Piratis]

The agreement should be one that truly unites Cyprus, not one that officially divides Cyprus as it was the case with Annan plan.

Also I do not agree with the position of "accept something bad now and we can change it later" since the TCs would say "if you didn't like it you shouldn't have singed it". There is absolutely zero chance in peacefully improving something like Annan plan.

can you imagine how united we would have become in Cyprus if all Cypriots were free within their own country without any foreign influence?

What makes you believe that there would be no foreign influence? Turkey doesn't need the "trnc" to control the TCs. They controlled the TCs in the 50s, 60s and 70s as well. And with Annan plan many 10s of thousands of Turkish settlers would stay also.

Turkey controls the TCs by promising to them privileges, power and land on the expense of the rest of Cypriots. And the TCs are happy to return the favor to Turkey by helping Turkey to serve her own interests in Cyprus. If the blackmail by Turkey works, and TCs actually get what Turkey promised to them, then TCs will be even more indebted to Turkey than they have ever been before.

You belong in a small minority of TCs if you honestly want some bad agreement that would favor the TCs to change in the future. Most TCs would of course want to keep forever what favors them on our expense. And only Turkey can guarantee to TCs that they will continue to have those unfair privileges. Without Turkey and her blackmails CYprus would be allowed to became a normal democratic country, and that is the last thing most TCs want. For this reason TCs will continue to serve Turkey's interests even after a bad "solution".

The only thing that would make TCs less dependent on Turkey is if Cyprus becomes a normal democratic country and TCs get in Cyprus what every minority gets in every other country. In this way the TCs would gain nothing from their relationship with Turkey, and they will not have to return any favors to Turkey by serving Ankaras interests in Cyprus.

Why would we want to live as just another minority under GCs? This is our worst nightmare and the TRNC with all its many imperfections is a far better option than capitulating to GC demands, when will you get that into your heads?

You mean when will people like Kibrisli Turk get it in their heads? Because I already know very well what you want which is why I said that improving (by peaceful means) something like the Annan plan would be impossible.

While you are in fact a minority, I know very well that you prefer to collaborate with Turkey, ethnically cleanse people and steal their lands in order to artificially became the majority in one part of Cyprus and have gains on our expense. And as you admitted you will never change voluntarily.

So I already know this. Tell us something new.

[Viewpoint]

Tell that to the Americans and Australians many countries have come about after land conflict, we have the added bonus of actually having ownership and international agreements to back up our fight for self determination and not being forced to live under the tyranny of GCs...the 1960 agreements and the recent AP are clear statements to the the fact that GCs will never be trusted or given the right to over the whole of Cyprus as they have shown in the past and even today their uncompromising narrow stance in relation to sharing this island with TCs.

[Piratis]

What happened in Australia and America happened several centuries ago.The same thing happened with Asia Minor with the Turks. But we are not living in the middle ages anymore. Slavery, ethnic cleansing and genocides, the things that you Turks like so much, are not acceptable anymore. We are living in the 21st century, not in the era of the Ottoman conquerors.

As far as "tyranny" goes, it is us Cypriots who have been oppressed by you for centuries. It is you who invaded our island with the aim to enslave, exploit us and steal our lands. So don't pretend to be the victim when you are in fact the aggressors.

The ownership all Cyprus. including the north part is by over 80% to Greek Cypriots. And what "international agreements" do you have to back up your illegalities? Annan plan is null and void. The 1960s agreements are about one unitary state.

We have no problem to share this country with your minority. We share Cyprus with other minorities as well without any problem. We will share Cyprus with you in the same way that Turks share Turkey with the Greek and Kurdish minorities. We are not living in the Ottoman era that you could treat Cypriots as slaves and grand to yourselves privileges on our expense.

[Viewpoint]

What happened in Australia and America happened several centuries ago.The same thing happened with Asia Minor with the Turks. But we are not living in the middle ages anymore. Slavery, ethnic cleansing and genocides, the things that you Turks like so much, are not acceptable anymore. We are living in the 21st century, not in the era of the Ottoman conquerors.

As far as "tyranny" goes, it is us Cypriots who have been oppressed by you for centuries. It is you who invaded our island with the aim to enslave, exploit us and steal our lands. So don't pretend to be the victim when you are in fact the aggressors.

The ownership all Cyprus. including the north part is by over 80% to Greek Cypriots. And what "international agreements" do you have to back up your illegalities? Annan plan is null and void. The 1960s agreements are about one unitary state.

We have no problem to share this country with your minority. We share Cyprus with other minorities as well without any problem. We will share Cyprus with you in the same way that Turks share Turkey with the Greek and Kurdish minorities. We are not living in the Ottoman era that you could treat Cypriots as slaves and grand to yourselves privileges on our expense.

And you think we will just take your word for it...the 1960 agreements clearly show the TCs rights and you cannot erase them thats why the UN and EU tollerate the possibility of a solution..you have to accomadate for the mistakes of the past which clearly show you are not fit to rule "democratically" and thats why the UN and world support BBF with political equality. So about time you realized you have to accept that we are not and will not become just another minority we have rights and will cliam them to the full..otherwise revert to your thesis about the swing in power and die thinking that day will come.