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Turkish Cypriot dialect under official attack

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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:50 am

insan wrote:
halil wrote:
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halil wrote:Papandreou is in Istanbul Insan ............ Istiklal Caddesi full up with Greeks . We had good chat with them today . They likes Talat .

Also They said they made big mistake in 1963 and 1974 and they paid for it and Turkey must left to Cyprus they says . We had too many argument but friendly arguments .They learned lots of things which they never heard before . When i told them that in my village and around the my villages we were all TC's ... they got shocked .What they knows every house that we sit in it belongs to Greek Cypriots .Young generations thinks like that as i said above olderly ones knows what happened in 60's and 74 . I asked them why they never speak to their kids about it all . it was not suprise for me to blame the school but i said them still u have some share and part in it too .


I love Rums of İstanbul. I had so many Rum and Armenian friends in İsdanbul. If u meet any of them; Michalis, Juliet, Edi or Nıver plz tell my regards. :D


Where about they lives in Istanbul . I will be here up to sunday night . We are in Beyoglu .... next to TRT building in Tepebasi .


They live in Pangaltı, Kurtuluş and Feriköy. :D


For Armenians, spot on. I used to regularly visit the house of an elderly Armenian artist in Pangaltı on a project I was working on.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:22 pm

Şener Levent has written a very stirring peice about this issue.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.p ... artid=5022

With your indulgence, I post a slightly free translation here:

Highly esteemed members of the Supreme Broadcasting Board, I do not now how I can thank you. You have long deserved these thanks, and in abundance. You have brought the Cypriot spirit, at death’s door, back to life. This spirit was in its death throes. It was dying out day by day. You have given it a massive breath of life. You have taken it by the hand and put it back on its feet. Our right-wingers, left-wingers, progressives, reactionaries, federationists and confederationists have all for the first time united in this way with a single voice. Thanks to whom? Thanks to you, gentlemen, thanks to you. You see how long I have been plugging away to no avail. You have succeeded in one day. With one announcement. In one resolution. You embarked on a minor operation, an aesthetic operation, against the Cypriot’s dialect. And all hell broke loose, didn’t it? This is because you hit a vein; do you not know what happens if you hit the Cypriot’s vein? He awakes from a century-long slumber, she breaks her chains, he overturns mountains. Just between ourselves, I know that you did this deliberately. You embarked on this operation on purpose. Just between ourselves, I say. I won’t tell anybody. I will not give you away to those keen detectives. Everybody has their own way of doing things, as do you. For instance, I would say, “Act, you have nothing to lose but your chains”. Some will propose meetings, others strikes. Some will let down their hair at quiz nights. Others will call, “To the streets, to the streets.” There are those who will propose taking to the mountains. None of them has had the kind of the effect that you have had. If you have succeeded, you were the only one to have done so. You have brought the spirit of Cypriotness back to life. However many people remain you have united all of us. We have become one voice. One breath. The victims among us, those who abuse the rights of others, our opposition and our government. After so many years we have come together on the same front, the same position, just as in 1963. Thanks to whom? Undoubtedly, thanks to you. Those who vent their anger at you do so in vain. They should actually thank you. Thanks to you even Mr Eroğlu put together one of the most striking and choice sentences of his life; and to top it all in the hallowed setting of parliament. He said, “I am proud of being Cypriot.” If it had not been for you, we probably would not have heard such a sentence from Mr Eroğlu for many a long year. Talat... Ferdi... Serdar... Çakıcı... Avcı … do they not all voice the same thought? That Cypriotness which was in its death throes has been reawakened in all of their souls. You have said, “This dialect is no dialect.” That was the end of it, the final straw. The seas swelled up and stood still. The fire which had turned to ash without burning flared up and then turned to ash. We are firmly on our feet, however may of us, how many Cypriots, are left. The oppressed and the oppressors among us. The poor and the rich. The swindlers and honest toilers in our midst. We have become one body. You have seen, haven’t you? The Cypriot dialect will not be silenced. Nobody may silence anyone’s dialect. Regardless of whether they say ‘Cyprus’ or ‘Gıbrız’. Nobody will call the thing they have always known as a ‘lenger’ a bucket. You have hit a vein, sirs. You have awoken the slumbering lion. You have reminded him that he is first and foremost Cypriot. It is precisely because of this that I thank you. Continue on this road. More of the same!
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:14 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Şener Levent has written a very stirring peice about this issue.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.p ... artid=5022

With your indulgence, I post a slightly free translation here:

Highly esteemed members of the Supreme Broadcasting Board, I do not now how I can thank you. You have long deserved these thanks, and in abundance. You have brought the Cypriot spirit, at death’s door, back to life. This spirit was in its death throes. It was dying out day by day. You have given it a massive breath of life. You have taken it by the hand and put it back on its feet. Our right-wingers, left-wingers, progressives, reactionaries, federationists and confederationists have all for the first time united in this way with a single voice. Thanks to whom? Thanks to you, gentlemen, thanks to you. You see how long I have been plugging away to no avail. You have succeeded in one day. With one announcement. In one resolution. You embarked on a minor operation, an aesthetic operation, against the Cypriot’s dialect. And all hell broke loose, didn’t it? This is because you hit a vein; do you not know what happens if you hit the Cypriot’s vein? He awakes from a century-long slumber, she breaks her chains, he overturns mountains. Just between ourselves, I know that you did this deliberately. You embarked on this operation on purpose. Just between ourselves, I say. I won’t tell anybody. I will not give you away to those keen detectives. Everybody has their own way of doing things, as do you. For instance, I would say, “Act, you have nothing to lose but your chains”. Some will propose meetings, others strikes. Some will let down their hair at quiz nights. Others will call, “To the streets, to the streets.” There are those who will propose taking to the mountains. None of them has had the kind of the effect that you have had. If you have succeeded, you were the only one to have done so. You have brought the spirit of Cypriotness back to life. However many people remain you have united all of us. We have become one voice. One breath. The victims among us, those who abuse the rights of others, our opposition and our government. After so many years we have come together on the same front, the same position, just as in 1963. Thanks to whom? Undoubtedly, thanks to you. Those who vent their anger at you do so in vain. They should actually thank you. Thanks to you even Mr Eroğlu put together one of the most striking and choice sentences of his life; and to top it all in the hallowed setting of parliament. He said, “I am proud of being Cypriot.” If it had not been for you, we probably would not have heard such a sentence from Mr Eroğlu for many a long year. Talat... Ferdi... Serdar... Çakıcı... Avcı … do they not all voice the same thought? That Cypriotness which was in its death throes has been reawakened in all of their souls. You have said, “This dialect is no dialect.” That was the end of it, the final straw. The seas swelled up and stood still. The fire which had turned to ash without burning flared up and then turned to ash. We are firmly on our feet, however may of us, how many Cypriots, are left. The oppressed and the oppressors among us. The poor and the rich. The swindlers and honest toilers in our midst. We have become one body. You have seen, haven’t you? The Cypriot dialect will not be silenced. Nobody may silence anyone’s dialect. Regardless of whether they say ‘Cyprus’ or ‘Gıbrız’. Nobody will call the thing they have always known as a ‘lenger’ a bucket. You have hit a vein, sirs. You have awoken the slumbering lion. You have reminded him that he is first and foremost Cypriot. It is precisely because of this that I thank you. Continue on this road. More of the same!

What do you mean by Free Translation old chap? You don't expect us TCs to pay you to translate Turkish to English. Kindly send the bill to our GC cousins.

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Postby halil » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:36 pm

here is the open poll results from the Yenidüzen newspaper today .

so far 77% of the public supports to use TC dialect to be used freely.

22 % supports the idea or recommendation not to use on televisions and radios.


We the Turkish Cypriots can united very easily whenever they try to destroy us .We kept our idendity in Cyprus since 1878.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:48 pm

halil wrote:here is the open poll results from the Yenidüzen newspaper today .

so far 77% of the public supports to use TC dialect to be used freely.

22 % supports the idea or recommendation not to use on televisions and radios.


We the Turkish Cypriots can united very easily whenever they try to destroy us .We kept our idendity in Cyprus since 1878.


I saw that, and was suprised that as many as 22% support this idea, but perhaps some people interpret this pronouncement in the way that Insan has.
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:58 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote:here is the open poll results from the Yenidüzen newspaper today .

so far 77% of the public supports to use TC dialect to be used freely.

22 % supports the idea or recommendation not to use on televisions and radios.


We the Turkish Cypriots can united very easily whenever they try to destroy us .We kept our idendity in Cyprus since 1878.


I saw that, and was suprised that as many as 22% support this idea, but perhaps some people interpret this pronouncement in the way that Insan has.


Yes, Tim. 10 idiots of supreme broadcasting board who have a little knowledge abt Turkish and TC dialect recommended avoid using TC dialect improperly but they failed to articulate it because their lack of Turkish language knowledge and caused misunderstanding of almost everyone except some people.

Btw, I voted for that poll twice... and still have a chance to vote it one more time today... lemme give it a go. :lol: Check it after a few mins. :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:25 pm

YFred wrote:What do you mean by Free Translation old chap? You don't expect us TCs to pay you to translate Turkish to English. Kindly send the bill to our GC cousins.

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You should pay up if you want to get your voice across…
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Postby halil » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:25 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote:here is the open poll results from the Yenidüzen newspaper today .

so far 77% of the public supports to use TC dialect to be used freely.

22 % supports the idea or recommendation not to use on televisions and radios.


We the Turkish Cypriots can united very easily whenever they try to destroy us .We kept our idendity in Cyprus since 1878.


I saw that, and was suprised that as many as 22% support this idea, but perhaps some people interpret this pronouncement in the way that Insan has.


Why Tim ,
Not suprise for me u will get similar results in south too if they says similar argument as well not to use Cypriot Greek dialect in TV's and radios .

TC's dialect is effected under these head lines.
1.From British effected from the English words also studies at UK.
2.Between 1960-1974 more TC's went to Turkey for studies and Turkish cinema films.
3.After 1974 mixing with Turks from Turkey.
4.Introduction of Mainland Turkey's newspapers and Televisions.

not only language dialect effected also culture of the Turkish Cypriots effected from above reasons.

now Internet and new communication revolutions are generating new culture and new way of language words.
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Postby YFred » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:30 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:What do you mean by Free Translation old chap? You don't expect us TCs to pay you to translate Turkish to English. Kindly send the bill to our GC cousins.

:wink:

You should pay up if you want to get your voice across…

Have you lost all your senses or is it that you never had any? Plonker.
Why do I need to pay for something I don't need and can do myself?
You pay since you've become a little cocky! :wink: :wink:
know what I mean?
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:40 pm

halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote:here is the open poll results from the Yenidüzen newspaper today .

so far 77% of the public supports to use TC dialect to be used freely.

22 % supports the idea or recommendation not to use on televisions and radios.


We the Turkish Cypriots can united very easily whenever they try to destroy us .We kept our idendity in Cyprus since 1878.


I saw that, and was suprised that as many as 22% support this idea, but perhaps some people interpret this pronouncement in the way that Insan has.


Why Tim ,
Not suprise for me u will get similar results in south too if they says similar argument as well not to use Cypriot Greek dialect in TV's and radios .

TC's dialect is effected under these head lines.
1.From British effected from the English words also studies at UK.
2.Between 1960-1974 more TC's went to Turkey for studies and Turkish cinema films.
3.After 1974 mixing with Turks from Turkey.
4.Introduction of Mainland Turkey's newspapers and Televisions.

not only language dialect effected also culture of the Turkish Cypriots effected from above reasons.

now Internet and new communication revolutions are generating new culture and new way of language words.


Halil, the issue is completely related with an improper statement made by the council of SBB that caused misunderstandings. Had they properly articulated their opinion regarding the improper, artificial; thus factitious usage of TC dialect by some workers of some media establishments; almost everyone would have supported their recommendation.
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