Cyprus-Forum.com

[Lit]

Full article here:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/10 ... 81074.html

Snippet below:

'The pace of reforms now needs to be significantly stepped up,' the draft said.

'Concerns remain in a number of areas, including freedom of expression, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, civilian oversight of the military and women's rights.'

The draft does not mention Turkey's treatment of media group Dogan Yayin, which has been fined billions of dollars for unpaid taxes after being critical towards the government. The opposition says the fine was meant to muzzle the group.

Diplomats expect the case to be mentioned in a separate, technical paper on Turkey that will accompany the main report.

The draft urges Turkey to move towards normalisation of ties with Cyprus. Turkey started EU entry talks in 2005 along with Croatia but they stalled, partly over Ankara's refusal to normalise relations with EU member Cyprus.

[paliometoxo]

all this urging turkey to do this and the the other never helps they ignore it as always

[bill cobbett]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

[YFred]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

Bill, you are missing the point here. The problem is not the EU and their evaluations in December, they will simply postpone it as per usual. The problem is that the hard liners are gaining ground in Turkey which is why Eroglu is speaking like he is. Which means that the talks unless they finish before Talat leaves office then will not conclude in another 5 years. If you read the signs the international community is shifting away from the GCs point of view, which will lead to break of Cyprus along the TC lines. Probably about 27%.

[bill cobbett]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

Bill, you are missing the point here. The problem is not the EU and their evaluations in December, they will simply postpone it as per usual. The problem is that the hard liners are gaining ground in Turkey which is why Eroglu is speaking like he is. Which means that the talks unless they finish before Talat leaves office then will not conclude in another 5 years. If you read the signs the international community is shifting away from the GCs point of view, which will lead to break of Cyprus along the TC lines. Probably about 27%.

My dear Freddie our Pres X knows he'll have to deal with this Errorgluey chappy. Maybe one of the reasons Pres X has, as some have said here, got in to a harder approach.

As to the claimed shift in opinion, bottom lines are that the key is wih Pres X, and are you really expecting the international community to do an about turn? To recognise illegalities? To approve of big countries invading smaller ones at will?

[YFred]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

Bill, you are missing the point here. The problem is not the EU and their evaluations in December, they will simply postpone it as per usual. The problem is that the hard liners are gaining ground in Turkey which is why Eroglu is speaking like he is. Which means that the talks unless they finish before Talat leaves office then will not conclude in another 5 years. If you read the signs the international community is shifting away from the GCs point of view, which will lead to break of Cyprus along the TC lines. Probably about 27%.

My dear Freddie our Pres X knows he'll have to deal with this Errorgluey chappy. Maybe one of the reasons Pres X has, as some have said here, got in to a harder approach.

As to the claimed shift in opinion, bottom lines are that the key is wih Pres X, and are you really expecting the international community to do an about turn? To recognise illegalities? To approve of big countries invading smaller ones at will?

All I can say is be prepared for a Cilla, Surprise Surprise. I really do mean it. The international community no longer cares. The Palestinians and the GCs will be sacrificed for the greater good of capitalism.
And I am not a capitalist.

[Hermes]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

Bill, you are missing the point here. The problem is not the EU and their evaluations in December, they will simply postpone it as per usual. The problem is that the hard liners are gaining ground in Turkey which is why Eroglu is speaking like he is. Which means that the talks unless they finish before Talat leaves office then will not conclude in another 5 years. If you read the signs the international community is shifting away from the GCs point of view, which will lead to break of Cyprus along the TC lines. Probably about 27%.

Then why isn't Talat moving faster to get a deal? You'd think he'd have a pretty good incentive to get moving, wouldn't you?

As for the international community, there is no chance that they will shift their positions on Cyprus. Absolutely no chance that the EU, the UN, the Russians, Chinese, French, Germans, Greeks, Americans or British will do or can do anything to undermine current EU or UN resolutions on Cyprus. It just ain't going to happen. The EU doesn't work like that for a start.

The UN and EU officially condone invasion and occupation? You are dreaming. The ones who will lose out will be the Turks. Talks failure will lead to no EU entry will lead to financial and political uncertainty and more and more law suits.

If the Turks want a solution before hardliners mess things up then they've got every incentive to get a deal done sooner rather than later. The clock is ticking...

[humanist]

EU drafts are not worth the paper they are written on. Here we have a barbaric Nation named Turkey wanting accession and partnership in the EU whilst it illegally occupies EU territory and the EU parliamentarians are considering it. Thye should take a stance and apply economic sanction on this barbaric nation till it frees Cyprus and its people and gives back to the Kurds what it took from them. Anything less than that is pure "maskaralikia"

[YFred]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

Bill, you are missing the point here. The problem is not the EU and their evaluations in December, they will simply postpone it as per usual. The problem is that the hard liners are gaining ground in Turkey which is why Eroglu is speaking like he is. Which means that the talks unless they finish before Talat leaves office then will not conclude in another 5 years. If you read the signs the international community is shifting away from the GCs point of view, which will lead to break of Cyprus along the TC lines. Probably about 27%.

Then why isn't Talat moving faster to get a deal? You'd think he'd have a pretty good incentive to get moving, wouldn't you?

As for the international community, there is no chance that they will shift their positions on Cyprus. Absolutely no chance that the EU, the UN, the Russians, Chinese, French, Germans, Greeks, Americans or British will do or can do anything to undermine current EU or UN resolutions on Cyprus. It just ain't going to happen. The EU doesn't work like that for a start.

The UN and EU officially condone invasion and occupation? You are dreaming. The ones who will lose out will be the Turks. Talks failure will lead to no EU entry will lead to financial and political uncertainty and more and more law suits.

If the Turks want a solution before hardliners mess things up then they've got every incentive to get a deal done sooner rather than later. The clock is ticking...

How can he play ball, if Muhtar X is doing a TPapa and has deflated the ball and is hanging on to the pump.

The maximalist attitude of the GCs side will lead to two separate countries. It will be sooner than you realise. You are just not reading the signs of the international communities’ shift in their thinking regarding the Cyprus Problem.

[Hermes]

Please keep in mind that normalisation of Turkey's relationship with CY is a very, very small part of the criteria that Turkey is expected to meet. Fear however that this CY aspect will be greatly exagerated for home consumption when Turkey gets a less than good report from the EU in a few weeks time.

Bill, you are missing the point here. The problem is not the EU and their evaluations in December, they will simply postpone it as per usual. The problem is that the hard liners are gaining ground in Turkey which is why Eroglu is speaking like he is. Which means that the talks unless they finish before Talat leaves office then will not conclude in another 5 years. If you read the signs the international community is shifting away from the GCs point of view, which will lead to break of Cyprus along the TC lines. Probably about 27%.

Then why isn't Talat moving faster to get a deal? You'd think he'd have a pretty good incentive to get moving, wouldn't you?

As for the international community, there is no chance that they will shift their positions on Cyprus. Absolutely no chance that the EU, the UN, the Russians, Chinese, French, Germans, Greeks, Americans or British will do or can do anything to undermine current EU or UN resolutions on Cyprus. It just ain't going to happen. The EU doesn't work like that for a start.

The UN and EU officially condone invasion and occupation? You are dreaming. The ones who will lose out will be the Turks. Talks failure will lead to no EU entry will lead to financial and political uncertainty and more and more law suits.

If the Turks want a solution before hardliners mess things up then they've got every incentive to get a deal done sooner rather than later. The clock is ticking...

How can he play ball, if Muhtar X is doing a TPapa and has deflated the ball and is hanging on to the pump.

The maximalist attitude of the GCs side will lead to two separate countries. It will be sooner than you realise. You are just not reading the signs of the international communities’ shift in their thinking regarding the Cyprus Problem.

No, Fred. It is the maximalist position of the Turkish side that is working against a solution. The Turks are hoping for a re-heated version of the Annan Plan which we overwhelmingly rejected. All this nonsense about two states, virgin birth, permanent derogations, while importing more settlers, threatening to never return Karpasia or Morphou, and complaining about EU property decisions. For God's sake! This is total nonsense and shows a lack of seriousness and refusal to accept the realities of what kind of solution the Greek Cypriots are willing to accept. Better to have no solution than a bad solution. Partition is what we have now. It is what the Turks have always wanted. So threatening us with partition is hardly something new.