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The above is quite sad for me, because if the Americans did not get involved, Turkish and Australian troops would have engaged each other for the first time since 1916....

Yeah, well don't shed too many tears since Australia wasn't even your country in 1916 ...

[Paphitis]

The above is quite sad for me, because if the Americans did not get involved, Turkish and Australian troops would have engaged each other for the first time since 1916....

Yeah, well don't shed too many tears since Australia wasn't even your country in 1916 ...

It is my country now is it not?

I find rationality in that country. Cyprus should try it!

It may prove refreshing...

[Gregory]

The above is quite sad for me, because if the Americans did not get involved, Turkish and Australian troops would have engaged each other for the first time since 1916....

Yeah, well don't shed too many tears since Australia wasn't even your country in 1916 ...

It is my country now is it not?

I find rationality in that country. Cyprus should try it!

It may prove refreshing...

Hope that rationality gets extended to the government of Australia and they realise that in this day and age of satellites, raging bush fires and uncoordinated fire depts are unforgivable. (that includes Greece)

http://www.finextra.com/community/fullblog.aspx?id=2501

[Paphitis]

The above is quite sad for me, because if the Americans did not get involved, Turkish and Australian troops would have engaged each other for the first time since 1916....

Yeah, well don't shed too many tears since Australia wasn't even your country in 1916 ...

It is my country now is it not?

I find rationality in that country. Cyprus should try it!

It may prove refreshing...

Hope that rationality gets extended to the government of Australia and they realise that in this day and age of satellites, raging bush fires and uncoordinated fire depts are unforgivable. (that includes Greece)

http://www.finextra.com/community/fullblog.aspx?id=2501

Don't worry about our Fire Department dear Gregory, because they just got into an unprecedented disaster they could not control, just like Cyprus did not too long ago.

Furthermore, some British helicopters were involved in fighting those fires in Cyprus, and those aircraft were flown by Australian pilots....and you will find that it was this rationality that prompted them to help out.

The aircraft were owned by a British/Australian defense company called Cobham Australia.

Let me know when Cyprus helps Australia out when facing another future disaster....

[Get Real!]

Nobody should be tempted to waste time discussing Australia in the CyProb section just because Paphitis is looking for attention again!

[Gregory]

The above is quite sad for me, because if the Americans did not get involved, Turkish and Australian troops would have engaged each other for the first time since 1916....

Yeah, well don't shed too many tears since Australia wasn't even your country in 1916 ...

It is my country now is it not?

I find rationality in that country. Cyprus should try it!

It may prove refreshing...

Hope that rationality gets extended to the government of Australia and they realise that in this day and age of satellites, raging bush fires and uncoordinated fire depts are unforgivable. (that includes Greece)

http://www.finextra.com/community/fullblog.aspx?id=2501

Don't worry about our Fire Department dear Gregory, because they just got into an unprecedented disaster they could not control, just like Cyprus did not too long ago.

Furthermore, some British helicopters were involved in fighting those fires in Cyprus, and those aircraft were flown by Australian pilots....and you will find that it was this rationality that prompted them to help out.

The aircraft were owned by a British/Australian defense company called Cobham Australia.

Let me know when Cyprus helps Australia out when facing another future disaster....

didn't mean to take a shot at Australia mate. I've just been reading a little bit about those bush fires and it seems to me that the govt really screwed up on it.

Never said Cyprus could help out Australia in anyway since our resources can't compare with anything Australia has to offer. We did do a pretty good job with Greece though and the villages we were sent to had pretty much regained control of the situation fast.

Everyone handles whatever their size allows them to. I don't think any government has an advantage over another on rationality though.

[Paphitis]

The above is quite sad for me, because if the Americans did not get involved, Turkish and Australian troops would have engaged each other for the first time since 1916....

Yeah, well don't shed too many tears since Australia wasn't even your country in 1916 ...

It is my country now is it not?

I find rationality in that country. Cyprus should try it!

It may prove refreshing...

Hope that rationality gets extended to the government of Australia and they realise that in this day and age of satellites, raging bush fires and uncoordinated fire depts are unforgivable. (that includes Greece)

http://www.finextra.com/community/fullblog.aspx?id=2501

Don't worry about our Fire Department dear Gregory, because they just got into an unprecedented disaster they could not control, just like Cyprus did not too long ago.

Furthermore, some British helicopters were involved in fighting those fires in Cyprus, and those aircraft were flown by Australian pilots....and you will find that it was this rationality that prompted them to help out.

The aircraft were owned by a British/Australian defense company called Cobham Australia.

Let me know when Cyprus helps Australia out when facing another future disaster....

didn't mean to take a shot at Australia mate. I've just been reading a little bit about those bush fires and it seems to me that the govt really screwed up on it.

Never said Cyprus could help out Australia in anyway since our resources can't compare with anything Australia has to offer. We did do a pretty good job with Greece though and the villages we were sent to had pretty much regained control of the situation fast.

Everyone handles whatever their size allows them to. I don't think any government has an advantage over another on rationality though.

Not a problem mate.

When it comes to natural disasters, there is not a whole lot that can be done. You will find that such things get out of control in any country, whether that be Greece, Cyprus, Australia, or US. I don't think any country can be adequately prepared for what is unexpected or a freak event.

Oh btw, don't get me wrong! I don't mean to say that Cypriots are irrational. I just find Cypriot politicians and even some Cypriot views on politics a little unusual and not something I am accustomed to, that is all. But it can also make things more interesting.

[Simon]

Jerry,

I think you have bought into the Turkish myth unfortunately.

The British Armed Forces are more than capable of removing the Turks from Cyprus single-handedly, let alone merely defending the bases! And it wouldn't need any help from the Australians or anybody else for that matter, despite what Paphitis is dreaming.

The Royal Navy is capable of completely cutting off Turkish supplies from the mainland (The Turkish Navy would simply be unable to cope with the British Nuclear Submarines (Trafalgar class (soon to be replaced by the Astute class)), which are undetectable and have the most advanced sonar system in the world. Further, Turkey would not have complete air supremacy either, as Britain has the RAF bases and aircraft carriers would be moved into the region. The British are armed with Tomahawk and Storm Shadow missiles, which means that the British would be able to attack Turkish cities and destroy infrastructure at will. Not forgetting the nuclear option that Britain has from the Vanguard class.

This leaves the land war. The British Army is far superior in training and equipment to the TA. The Parachute Regiment (part of 16 Air Assault Brigade) Royal Marine Commandos, SAS, SBS, Gurkhas, Black Watch, Royal Welsh Guards etc, these are some of the best troops in the world. With the GC National Guard behind them, it would probably only need about 10,000 British troops (+90,000 NG) to completely wipe the Turks out. Remembering that this time Turkey would not be able to re-supply.

Please do not be fooled into thinking the British can't do anything because of Afghanistan. Those bases are crucial to UK-US interests, and if those bases came under attack, the British would defend them. That you can be certain of. The Argentinians tried to call Britain's bluff in 1982, and look what happened.

[Paphitis]

Jerry,

I think you have bought into the Turkish myth unfortunately.

The British Armed Forces are more than capable of removing the Turks from Cyprus single-handedly, let alone merely defending the bases! And it wouldn't need any help from the Australians or anybody else for that matter, despite what Paphitis is dreaming.

The Royal Navy is capable of completely cutting off Turkish supplies from the mainland (The Turkish Navy would simply be unable to cope with the British Nuclear Submarines (Trafalgar class (soon to be replaced by the Astute class)), which are undetectable and have the most advanced sonar system in the world. Further, Turkey would not have complete air supremacy either, as Britain has the RAF bases and aircraft carriers would be moved into the region. The British are armed with Tomahawk and Storm Shadow missiles, which means that the British would be able to attack Turkish cities and destroy infrastructure at will. Not forgetting the nuclear option that Britain has from the Vanguard class.

This leaves the land war. The British Army is far superior in training and equipment to the TA. The Parachute Regiment (part of 16 Air Assault Brigade) Royal Marine Commandos, SAS, SBS, Gurkhas, Black Watch, Royal Welsh Guards etc, these are some of the best troops in the world. With the GC National Guard behind them, it would probably only need about 10,000 British troops (+90,000 NG) to completely wipe the Turks out. Remembering that this time Turkey would not be able to re-supply.

Please do not be fooled into thinking the British can't do anything because of Afghanistan. Those bases are crucial to UK-US interests, and if those bases came under attack, the British would defend them. That you can be certain of. The Argentinians tried to call Britain's bluff in 1982, and look what happened.

Oh btw Simon. This is just a very small point, but I seem to recall us discussing Australia's future Aircraft Carriers.

The fact remains that they are classified as Helicopter Docks because the Australian Government did not want them to be classified as Aircraft Carriers to satisfy the defense budget slashing advocates that create much noise.

It was however a requirement that the design be easily modified so that the ships can be easily upgraded to accept STOVL and VTOL aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_c ... opter_Dock

The above is no different to the Royal Navy commissioning the Invincible Class as "cruisers" and later modified with a ski jump and then classed as Aircraft Carriers.

Finally, in May 1975, the Government authorised the maritime version of the Hawker Siddeley Harrier,[1][3] which was successfully developed into the Sea Harrier. This meant that the design was reworked again to include a small complement of these VTOL aircraft. In order to launch a heavily-laden Harrier more efficiently by STOVL (short take-off vertical landing) from the comparatively short - 170 m - flight deck, a 'ski-jump' was developed. The slope was initially 7° when incorporated into Invincible and Illustrious and 12° for Ark Royal. The class also has, since 1976,[1] a secondary role as an helicopter carrier, or LPH, in the reinforcement of NATO's Northern flank in Norway. In 1998 HMS Ocean, with a hull form based on that of the Invincible class, was commissioned specifically for this role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible ... ft_carrier

The Canberra Class are not classified as Aircraft carriers, but will have a Ski Jump and the radar will be fitted down the track. It is likely that the F-35B will operate from the Canberra Class as well as helicopters.

This is why the ships have a very obvious Ski Jump (for aircraft).

[Simon]

Jerry,

I think you have bought into the Turkish myth unfortunately.

The British Armed Forces are more than capable of removing the Turks from Cyprus single-handedly, let alone merely defending the bases! And it wouldn't need any help from the Australians or anybody else for that matter, despite what Paphitis is dreaming.

The Royal Navy is capable of completely cutting off Turkish supplies from the mainland (The Turkish Navy would simply be unable to cope with the British Nuclear Submarines (Trafalgar class (soon to be replaced by the Astute class)), which are undetectable and have the most advanced sonar system in the world. Further, Turkey would not have complete air supremacy either, as Britain has the RAF bases and aircraft carriers would be moved into the region. The British are armed with Tomahawk and Storm Shadow missiles, which means that the British would be able to attack Turkish cities and destroy infrastructure at will. Not forgetting the nuclear option that Britain has from the Vanguard class.

This leaves the land war. The British Army is far superior in training and equipment to the TA. The Parachute Regiment (part of 16 Air Assault Brigade) Royal Marine Commandos, SAS, SBS, Gurkhas, Black Watch, Royal Welsh Guards etc, these are some of the best troops in the world. With the GC National Guard behind them, it would probably only need about 10,000 British troops (+90,000 NG) to completely wipe the Turks out. Remembering that this time Turkey would not be able to re-supply.

Please do not be fooled into thinking the British can't do anything because of Afghanistan. Those bases are crucial to UK-US interests, and if those bases came under attack, the British would defend them. That you can be certain of. The Argentinians tried to call Britain's bluff in 1982, and look what happened.

Oh btw Simon. This is just a very small point, but I seem to recall us discussing Australia's future Aircraft Carriers.

The fact remains that they are classified as Helicopter Docks because the Australian Government did not want them to be classified as Aircraft Carriers to satisfy the defense budget slashing advocates that create much noise.

It was however a requirement that the design be easily modified so that the ships can be easily upgraded to accept STOVL and VTOL aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_c ... opter_Dock

The above is no different to the Royal Navy commissioning the Invincible Class as "cruisers" and later modified with a ski jump and then classed as Aircraft Carriers.

Finally, in May 1975, the Government authorised the maritime version of the Hawker Siddeley Harrier,[1][3] which was successfully developed into the Sea Harrier. This meant that the design was reworked again to include a small complement of these VTOL aircraft. In order to launch a heavily-laden Harrier more efficiently by STOVL (short take-off vertical landing) from the comparatively short - 170 m - flight deck, a 'ski-jump' was developed. The slope was initially 7° when incorporated into Invincible and Illustrious and 12° for Ark Royal. The class also has, since 1976,[1] a secondary role as an helicopter carrier, or LPH, in the reinforcement of NATO's Northern flank in Norway. In 1998 HMS Ocean, with a hull form based on that of the Invincible class, was commissioned specifically for this role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible ... ft_carrier

The Canberra Class are not classified as Aircraft carriers, but will have a Ski Jump and the radar will be fitted down the track. It is likely that the F-35B will operate from the Canberra Class as well as helicopters.

This is why the ships have a very obvious Ski Jump (for aircraft).

Paphitis, I agree with you that the Canberra class are Helicopter Landing Docks that have the potential to be upgraded to light aircraft carriers in the future. I am all for Australia having a strong military and power projection capabilities, as Australia and the UK are close allies within the Anglosphere. I like you have dreams that one day the UK (along with allies) will use the bases to liberate Cyprus, although I know that the chances of this happening are virtually nil.