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[Oracle]

Turks ... you try and wrong them and they will have no problems cutting your head off.....easy really you play with bombs you shouldnt cry when they explode.

Here's VP's proof. The photo he posted some time back, from his family album ...

[Get Real!]

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

What exactly is the question you REALLY want to ask with this thread Insan?


1: That military action is always a “bad choice” for solving a problem? Because incredibly, you praise the Turkish army for “saving” you and delivering 37% of sovereign Cypriot territory to your DIRTY little hands so that you may play the Vezir today and blackmail the Greek Cypriots! So, if military action worked for you why should it not work for others?

2: That you are wondering if the CNG is in a position to dislodge you from enjoying the loot?

[Simon]

"Fighting for what you believe in comes from the heart, and one thing for sure is the bravery of the average mehmetcik."

Do not give me this crap. No other force in Cyprus proved itself to the extent that the Greek contingent did, as much as we all hate to admit it. It was the only force that held together against vastly superior forces, facing two brigades of Mehmecik backed up with tanks, artillery and direct air strikes. And above all it was the only contingent which did not harm civilians. A two day attack by two brigades pushed back the Greek batallion about 150 meters and failed to secure Nicosia ariport. Look up the distances up on Google.

As for the value of bravery , it is far down in my list. It takes no bravery for a pilot to fire rockets at his own ships, and even less to bomb a mental hospital. In modern warfare the ability to use hardware properly is much more important and the Gazi pilots could not manage that very well.

I have been living in Greece for 35 years and experienced the daily violations of air space by these brave pilots. It must take a lot of guts to fly over an undefended island, at 300 meters at 6 am in a crude a la Turca psywar operation. Trying to scare who? The sixty people who live there and their donkeys!

Do you really believe that Turkey wanted to take Nicosia airport but couldn't?
The Greeks massed soldiers in Thrace to Attack Turkey in 74. What did the General mean when he said "I would rather fire towards Athens then the Turks".
Please let as face reality when thinking about such things and not live in cuckoo land. I just cannot believe that anybody actually thinks that Greece and Cyprus and Serbs are a match against Turkey and I hate war and I hate militarism but I am realist.

What are you talking about? The General uttered those words because, like most people in Greece, they hated the Junta. It had nothing to do with being scared of the Turks, sorry to destroy your wet dreams.

You are simply a deluded Turkish nationalist. The truth is, the gap between the Turkish and Greek Armed Forces is not as big as you would like to believe. Whilst Turkey often has more equipment than Greece, it is also true that Greece often has more advanced equipment. Geography in the Aegean and in Thrace also heavily favours Greece. Look at the massive difference in size and technology of Italy and Greece during World War 2, yet Greece still defeated the Italians. The gap between Greece and Turkey is not nearly as big, despite the huge differences in population, yet you tell us that Greece has no chance! It is a testament to Greece in fact that despite its size, it has maintained a military balance with Turkey for so long. In 2008, Greece spent around $9 billion on defence, whilst Turkey spent about $11 billion, according to SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) which is one of the most respected sources on this subject. Not a big difference, especially considering the TAF is far bigger than that of Greece, which means that Greece actually spends more per man.

Greece has also recently acquired Scalp missiles, which could cause major damage to Turkish cities. Greece's policy has always been deterrence, i.e. having the firepower to cause so much damage to Turkey that Turkey would want to avoid a conflict with Greece. And Greece certainly has sufficient firepower to fulfil this objective.

[humanist]

a war in Cyprus would mean the begginning of the end of the whole world ........... NO to friggin wars

[Get Real!]

Insan, I wrote about a Cyprus Vs Turkey war scenario on many occasions but you weren’t around to see them. So as not to repeat myself here are some past bits I can find on the issue…

Liberating Cyprus is not about declaring war on Turkey, but defeating the Turkish military infrastructure that is illegally stationed on the northern territory of Cyprus, otherwise known as the “TRNC”. For such an undertaking to be successful one would need to encompass the denial of any further Turkish reinforcements to the island once the operation gets underway.

This could either be achieved by a bribed superpower such as France stationing her navy between Cyprus and Turkey but having no further involvement, or through the early removal of all ports including naval, airstrips, and helipads, leaving only flimsy aerial drops to be dealt with by SAMs.

The Turkish military hardware currently stationed in the “TRNC” is pretty much equivalent to that of the National Guard of Cyprus in terms of quality and number so it would be as fair a confrontation as you can get under the circumstances, with the exception that the RoC will also have to utilize a fair number of their reserves, and of course once the National Guard of Cyprus reaches Kyrenia and hoists the RoC flag, which they are more than capable of accomplishing if Turkish reinforcements are successfully denied, UN resolution 353 (1974) will have been enforced as dictated by international law.

I have since also written a detailed operations plan I’ve never posted here but have submitted to the RoC government for their perusal.

[humanist]

wooohhooo to the Kypreo antarti

[Nikitas]

"Greece has also recently acquired Scalp missiles"

Only about five years after Turkey acquired missiles which can strike Nicosia, Limassol and cities in Greece.

Turkey has been upping the ante in the balance of forces in the areas since before the invasion of Cyprus. In fact the strategy was put in place after they bamboozled that idiot dictator Papadopoulos into signing the Evros agreement.

[AmericanGC]

I can confirm the Simon post that the General was referring to the junta, there was no fear of the Turks. The same reason why Greece didn't attack Turkey in 74 was the junta. From 1821 when the Greeks took on the Ottoman Turks to today there has never been any fear of the Turks by Greeks or GC.

[NikosGB23]

what kind of foolish poll is this? another war...i dont even want to begin to think. lets hope Cyprus wouldnt act as America would and just go to war

[wyoming cowboy]

As to the effectiveness of the Turkish forces in 74, in a almost a month of fighting they could only muster to take approximately 5-8percent of the territory they occupy today. Even with an overwhelming army complete air support and nato intelligence, they were stopped on the west at Panagra St.Panteleimon on the east at around Karmi. They resorted to human waves and still couldnt penetrate the Gc line of defense. To quote someone on the front lines in St Panteleimona, who manned a 50 caliber machine gun, "....they kept coming and we kept shooting, they were falling like flies, we thought they were acting when they fell, but they were really dead"..both fronts the west and east were like that. The Turks say that they only lost 500 men in 74, eyewitnesses at Nicosia airport say they lost those numbers while unsuccessfully trying to take the airport. Some have estimated that they suffered 37000 casualties with 17000 dead. The only way they could broken the Gc national gurard mkunits, is by launching a second invasion at Famagusta on august 14th.