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[insan]

What a stupid thread. Why on earth would the Greek Cypriots become involved in a military war when they have an army of lawyers and legal precedent on their side? The G/Cs have used legal, economic and diplomatic means to render the occupation of northern Cyprus a legal nightmare and political headache for Turkey. They haven't had to fire one single shot to do this. Faced with a huge Turkish army and all its resources the G/Cs have used their brains, patience and legal skills to render the Turks frustrated, helpless and force them to the negotiating table against their wishes. Not bad at all.

I suppose u mean stupid GR who advocates a military conflict to solve Cyprob once and for all... 4 more stupid persons gave support to his idea of war; according to this poll.

[YFred]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

[Nikitas]

"Fighting for what you believe in comes from the heart, and one thing for sure is the bravery of the average mehmetcik."

Do not give me this crap. No other force in Cyprus proved itself to the extent that the Greek contingent did, as much as we all hate to admit it. It was the only force that held together against vastly superior forces, facing two brigades of Mehmecik backed up with tanks, artillery and direct air strikes. And above all it was the only contingent which did not harm civilians. A two day attack by two brigades pushed back the Greek batallion about 150 meters and failed to secure Nicosia ariport. Look up the distances up on Google.

As for the value of bravery , it is far down in my list. It takes no bravery for a pilot to fire rockets at his own ships, and even less to bomb a mental hospital. In modern warfare the ability to use hardware properly is much more important and the Gazi pilots could not manage that very well.

I have been living in Greece for 35 years and experienced the daily violations of air space by these brave pilots. It must take a lot of guts to fly over an undefended island, at 300 meters at 6 am in a crude a la Turca psywar operation. Trying to scare who? The sixty people who live there and their donkeys!

[Oracle]

Sounds to me like Insan is in need of comforting reassurance from his Turkish pals, against such a possibility becoming a reality ....

There, there, insan ... don't worry .... I'm sure the only scenario you have to be concerned about is not running out of coffee ...

[Hermes]

What a stupid thread. Why on earth would the Greek Cypriots become involved in a military war when they have an army of lawyers and legal precedent on their side? The G/Cs have used legal, economic and diplomatic means to render the occupation of northern Cyprus a legal nightmare and political headache for Turkey. They haven't had to fire one single shot to do this. Faced with a huge Turkish army and all its resources the G/Cs have used their brains, patience and legal skills to render the Turks frustrated, helpless and force them to the negotiating table against their wishes. Not bad at all.

I suppose u mean stupid GR who advocates a military conflict to solve Cyprob once and for all... 4 more stupid persons gave support to his idea of war; according to this poll.

I agree with you. While there are legal, economic and political means to pressure Turkey into rethinking its stance on Cyprus then war is a stupid option. At the moment all efforts should be on using Turkey's wish to join the EU to our advantage.

I have never favoured the "Palestinian option" of dealing with the Turkish occupation. Terrorism and war have led the Palestinians to despair and nihilism. The Greek Cypriots have been much smarter than that. Get into the EU, keep up the international pressure and use the lawyers. Not as spectacular but much more effective in the end.

[YFred]

"Fighting for what you believe in comes from the heart, and one thing for sure is the bravery of the average mehmetcik."

Do not give me this crap. No other force in Cyprus proved itself to the extent that the Greek contingent did, as much as we all hate to admit it. It was the only force that held together against vastly superior forces, facing two brigades of Mehmecik backed up with tanks, artillery and direct air strikes. And above all it was the only contingent which did not harm civilians. A two day attack by two brigades pushed back the Greek batallion about 150 meters and failed to secure Nicosia ariport. Look up the distances up on Google.

As for the value of bravery , it is far down in my list. It takes no bravery for a pilot to fire rockets at his own ships, and even less to bomb a mental hospital. In modern warfare the ability to use hardware properly is much more important and the Gazi pilots could not manage that very well.

I have been living in Greece for 35 years and experienced the daily violations of air space by these brave pilots. It must take a lot of guts to fly over an undefended island, at 300 meters at 6 am in a crude a la Turca psywar operation. Trying to scare who? The sixty people who live there and their donkeys!

Do you really believe that Turkey wanted to take Nicosia airport but couldn't?
The Greeks massed soldiers in Thrace to Attack Turkey in 74. What did the General mean when he said "I would rather fire towards Athens then the Turks".
Please let as face reality when thinking about such things and not live in cuckoo land. I just cannot believe that anybody actually thinks that Greece and Cyprus and Serbs are a match against Turkey and I hate war and I hate militarism but I am realist.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Viewpoint, nothing of the TAF in 74 was impressive, I understand as a Turk you look at cowardness as bravery, but the reality is if a war in Cyprus broke out, Turks would never occupy ever again and Turkey itself would be beat down. In 74 the Turks attacked with all the advantage of a modern military with a Navy and Airforce against a small terribily armed National Guard force of 5,000 troops with no Navy and no Airforce. Still Turks lost over 3,000 troops, many aircraft and the Turks sunk their own flagship. They made up for their failures by killing civilians and POWs, I guess that is what you mean by "ferocity" kill civilians and call it a victory thats the Turkish way.

Then you have no worries feel free to attack and unleash a sub standard army clearly you have no worries or concerns therefore you will have no problems defeating them but dont expect them to take it on the chin. Ill tell you something about Turks they are the best most generous people in the world but you try and wrong them and they will have no problems cutting your head off.....easy really you play with bombs you shouldnt cry when they explode.

And you ask us to trust them? Way to go VP you really going to build trust with statements like that. I now take back what I said the other day. Basicly you are saying is always give a turk what he wants or you will end up dead.

[Oracle]

Viewpoint, nothing of the TAF in 74 was impressive, I understand as a Turk you look at cowardness as bravery, but the reality is if a war in Cyprus broke out, Turks would never occupy ever again and Turkey itself would be beat down. In 74 the Turks attacked with all the advantage of a modern military with a Navy and Airforce against a small terribily armed National Guard force of 5,000 troops with no Navy and no Airforce. Still Turks lost over 3,000 troops, many aircraft and the Turks sunk their own flagship. They made up for their failures by killing civilians and POWs, I guess that is what you mean by "ferocity" kill civilians and call it a victory thats the Turkish way.

Then you have no worries feel free to attack and unleash a sub standard army clearly you have no worries or concerns therefore you will have no problems defeating them but dont expect them to take it on the chin. Ill tell you something about Turks they are the best most generous people in the world but you try and wrong them and they will have no problems cutting your head off.....easy really you play with bombs you shouldnt cry when they explode.

And you ask us to trust them? Way to go VP you really going to build trust with statements like that. I now take back what I said the other day. Basicly you are saying is always give a turk what he wants or you will end up dead.

There's Turkish logic for you. Is it transferable to the EU?

[YFred]

Viewpoint, nothing of the TAF in 74 was impressive, I understand as a Turk you look at cowardness as bravery, but the reality is if a war in Cyprus broke out, Turks would never occupy ever again and Turkey itself would be beat down. In 74 the Turks attacked with all the advantage of a modern military with a Navy and Airforce against a small terribily armed National Guard force of 5,000 troops with no Navy and no Airforce. Still Turks lost over 3,000 troops, many aircraft and the Turks sunk their own flagship. They made up for their failures by killing civilians and POWs, I guess that is what you mean by "ferocity" kill civilians and call it a victory thats the Turkish way.

Then you have no worries feel free to attack and unleash a sub standard army clearly you have no worries or concerns therefore you will have no problems defeating them but dont expect them to take it on the chin. Ill tell you something about Turks they are the best most generous people in the world but you try and wrong them and they will have no problems cutting your head off.....easy really you play with bombs you shouldnt cry when they explode.

And you ask us to trust them? Way to go VP you really going to build trust with statements like that. I now take back what I said the other day. Basicly you are saying is always give a turk what he wants or you will end up dead.

There's Turkish logic for you. Is it transferable to the EU?

Those poor Europeans they know nothing about extraordinary rendition and nothing about torturing innocent civilians. How dare the turks consider joining such a clean and civilised unit.

[Nikitas]

"Do you really believe that Turkey wanted to take Nicosia airport but couldn't? "

Well it tried. So why try and lose men if there was no intention to take the airport? Good general do not waste lives.

As for matching this and that, the hardware is about even between Greece and Turkey. And like I said above, modern war is about knowing how to use hardware. It is also about knowing what your objectives are. In this sitaution the side claiming territory is Turkey, so a victory for Turkey is the acquisition and retention of territory in the Aegean. None of the other countries you mentioned have any territorial claims on Turkey. Their way to win is by simply resisting succesfully. You need to re-examine your definitions of victory and defeat in this situation.

The way Turkey is pursuing its claims is the way of a coward. Overflying tiny islands proves nothing. A jet is up and over an island measuring six by ten miles in a few seconds. None of these "brave"pilots dares fly over mainland territory where he will be opposed. And we are not going to talk about a navy that gets its flagship stuck in sand in its "enemy's" territorial waters and has to hire local tugs to unstick it.