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[AmericanGC]

How did this become a Iraq thread. I would think you could find other forums for Iraq.
I myself was in Iraq in 2003 and for a short time in 2007. There is people dying all over that country everyday due to many factors. I can tell you 99.9 percent of the troops hope they never kill a civilian which is more than I can say for the male Muslims in the country. In Iraq the women are the victims, they do all the hard labor and take care of the children and work the land while the men sit on their asses all day. I found it funny how these so called strong strict Muslim men would always want to look at porn, you got them around a computer they would just hound us to look at porn. Strict Muslim my ass, how about get off your ass stop oppressing the women and take care of your own shit.

[Simon]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

Yes, please post the notes. Callaghan was a typical socialist wimp but militarily Britain would have nothing to fear from Turkey. 1 nuke = Turkey kerplunk. Not that it would have ever have come to war but neither the Turkish navy nor air force would have lasted long against their British counterparts. I concede that Turkey's army would have been numerically superior albeit individually inferior but they would have no hope in a conventional war with no navy or airforce.

Incidentally I believe Turkish pilots have improved and have said so in a previous posting where I have argued that Turkey has nothing to fear from the ROC and Greece.

I don't know whether some thick Turkish soldiers fired shots into the base (more errors) but the British military there would have, without doubt, been aware that Turkey would not have wished them to have done so and would accordingly ignore such stupidity.

You are spot on Mr T about Britain and Turkey. Y-Fred is simply a nationalistic Turkish dreamer. I bet he even has dreams of the US being scared of Turkey. In fact I'm sure it was Y-Fred who said a while back that Turkey was going to sink the US Sixth Fleet if it became involved in the conflict.

Turkey, especially in 1974, but still even today, is not even in the same league as Britain when it comes to fighting conventional wars. Compared to British troops, the Turks are poorly trained, poorly equipped, conscripts! The British have a fully professional army that are among the best trained in the world, with the most advanced weapon systems in the world and more experience of fighting wars across the world than any other nation. The Turkish Navy wouldn't even have dared come out of its base had the Royal Navy been in the vicinity. So there wouldn't have even been an invasion to begin with! The Turks have nothing that can compete with Royal Navy attack submarines and destroyers. Turkey would have struggled to handle Greece, let alone Britain!

I don't know what Callaghan himself said, but an individual coward who was scared of the political consequences of war doesn't mean anything. The fact is a British Select Committee has found that the British had the means to stop the invasion, and legally, they probably should have done. The Turks struggled with a disunited Cyprus, and their military performance was generally regarded as poor by most analysts. Imagine a modern powerful force opposing them, they would have been annihilated!

Further, you might want to re-consider what Callaghan was prepared to do at the time Y-Fred:

It was reported in the press at the time that Kissinger first discouraged Britain from mounting a joint intervention with Turkey with the object of restoring the legitimate government and then told the British foreign secretary, James Callaghan, not to be a boy scout when he suggested that Britain stage a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus. Kissinger’s “nos” speak complicity.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism6.htm

Y-Fred is a comedian indeed!

[AmericanGC]

I can't believe Mr T actually said Turkey would sink the sixth fleet. That is the most delusional statement I have ever heard. The sixth fleet could destroy the entire Turk Navy and then some, and if the Turk Navy fired upon them the entire US military would respond. See Turks are confusing the need for their NATO base with fear. The US has the ability to make a big hole where Turkey is and so does the British. By the way Turkey would have never invaded without the British given the ok.

[insan]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

Yes, please post the notes. Callaghan was a typical socialist wimp but militarily Britain would have nothing to fear from Turkey. 1 nuke = Turkey kerplunk. Not that it would have ever have come to war but neither the Turkish navy nor air force would have lasted long against their British counterparts. I concede that Turkey's army would have been numerically superior albeit individually inferior but they would have no hope in a conventional war with no navy or airforce.

Incidentally I believe Turkish pilots have improved and have said so in a previous posting where I have argued that Turkey has nothing to fear from the ROC and Greece.

I don't know whether some thick Turkish soldiers fired shots into the base (more errors) but the British military there would have, without doubt, been aware that Turkey would not have wished them to have done so and would accordingly ignore such stupidity.

You are spot on Mr T about Britain and Turkey. Y-Fred is simply a nationalistic Turkish dreamer. I bet he even has dreams of the US being scared of Turkey. In fact I'm sure it was Y-Fred who said a while back that Turkey was going to sink the US Sixth Fleet if it became involved in the conflict.

Turkey, especially in 1974, but still even today, is not even in the same league as Britain when it comes to fighting conventional wars. Compared to British troops, the Turks are poorly trained, poorly equipped, conscripts! The British have a fully professional army that are among the best trained in the world, with the most advanced weapon systems in the world and more experience of fighting wars across the world than any other nation. The Turkish Navy wouldn't even have dared come out of its base had the Royal Navy been in the vicinity. So there wouldn't have even been an invasion to begin with! The Turks have nothing that can compete with Royal Navy attack submarines and destroyers. Turkey would have struggled to handle Greece, let alone Britain!

I don't know what Callaghan himself said, but an individual coward who was scared of the political consequences of war doesn't mean anything. The fact is a British Select Committee has found that the British had the means to stop the invasion, and legally, they probably should have done. The Turks struggled with a disunited Cyprus, and their military performance was generally regarded as poor by most analysts. Imagine a modern powerful force opposing them, they would have been annihilated!

Further, you might want to re-consider what Callaghan was prepared to do at the time Y-Fred:

It was reported in the press at the time that Kissinger first discouraged Britain from mounting a joint intervention with Turkey with the object of restoring the legitimate government and then told the British foreign secretary, James Callaghan, not to be a boy scout when he suggested that Britain stage a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus. Kissinger’s “nos” speak complicity.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism6.htm

Y-Fred is a comedian indeed!

It was reported in the press at that time, eh? Britain officially explained why they didn't wanted to intervene jointly with Turkey. As for the suggestion of staging a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus; it was considered as a tactical step to lure US armed forces into the mess. US administration didn't accept this proposal because behind this proposal of Britain there isn't an aim of Britain waring with Turkey but an intention to lure US armed forces into area... It was an opportunity for Brits to lure US armed forces into Cyprus and hand over the bases to them and getting rid of the pain having sovereign bases in Cyprus.

[YFred]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

Yes, please post the notes. Callaghan was a typical socialist wimp but militarily Britain would have nothing to fear from Turkey. 1 nuke = Turkey kerplunk. Not that it would have ever have come to war but neither the Turkish navy nor air force would have lasted long against their British counterparts. I concede that Turkey's army would have been numerically superior albeit individually inferior but they would have no hope in a conventional war with no navy or airforce.

Incidentally I believe Turkish pilots have improved and have said so in a previous posting where I have argued that Turkey has nothing to fear from the ROC and Greece.

I don't know whether some thick Turkish soldiers fired shots into the base (more errors) but the British military there would have, without doubt, been aware that Turkey would not have wished them to have done so and would accordingly ignore such stupidity.

You are spot on Mr T about Britain and Turkey. Y-Fred is simply a nationalistic Turkish dreamer. I bet he even has dreams of the US being scared of Turkey. In fact I'm sure it was Y-Fred who said a while back that Turkey was going to sink the US Sixth Fleet if it became involved in the conflict.

Turkey, especially in 1974, but still even today, is not even in the same league as Britain when it comes to fighting conventional wars. Compared to British troops, the Turks are poorly trained, poorly equipped, conscripts! The British have a fully professional army that are among the best trained in the world, with the most advanced weapon systems in the world and more experience of fighting wars across the world than any other nation. The Turkish Navy wouldn't even have dared come out of its base had the Royal Navy been in the vicinity. So there wouldn't have even been an invasion to begin with! The Turks have nothing that can compete with Royal Navy attack submarines and destroyers. Turkey would have struggled to handle Greece, let alone Britain!

I don't know what Callaghan himself said, but an individual coward who was scared of the political consequences of war doesn't mean anything. The fact is a British Select Committee has found that the British had the means to stop the invasion, and legally, they probably should have done. The Turks struggled with a disunited Cyprus, and their military performance was generally regarded as poor by most analysts. Imagine a modern powerful force opposing them, they would have been annihilated!

Further, you might want to re-consider what Callaghan was prepared to do at the time Y-Fred:

It was reported in the press at the time that Kissinger first discouraged Britain from mounting a joint intervention with Turkey with the object of restoring the legitimate government and then told the British foreign secretary, James Callaghan, not to be a boy scout when he suggested that Britain stage a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus. Kissinger’s “nos” speak complicity.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism6.htm

Y-Fred is a comedian indeed!

It was reported in the press at that time, eh? Britain officially explained why they didn't wanted to intervene jointly with Turkey. As for the suggestion of staging a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus; it was considered as a tactical step to lure US armed forces into the mess. US administration didn't accept this proposal because behind this proposal of Britain there isn't an aim of Britain waring with Turkey but an intention to lure US armed forces into area... It was an opportunity for Brits to lure US armed forces into Cyprus and hand over the bases to them and getting rid of the pain having sovereign bases in Cyprus.

Insan where is that document about the Australians confined in the barracks. It had the comment Callaghan made.

[YFred]

I can't believe Mr T actually said Turkey would sink the sixth fleet. That is the most delusional statement I have ever heard. The sixth fleet could destroy the entire Turk Navy and then some, and if the Turk Navy fired upon them the entire US military would respond. See Turks are confusing the need for their NATO base with fear. The US has the ability to make a big hole where Turkey is and so does the British. By the way Turkey would have never invaded without the British given the ok.

Reh Americano, that was not my opinion. That was a factual statement that I personally heard a general make. They had the planes ready to dive into the 6th fleet if US interfered. I have no doubt that they would have tried it. Whether it would succeed or not it is open to debate. My own opinion is that the yanks are such crap soldiers that it probably would have succeeded. It was the yanks that did not believe pearl harbour could happen, and I guess that was me being delusional too.

[Simon]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

Yes, please post the notes. Callaghan was a typical socialist wimp but militarily Britain would have nothing to fear from Turkey. 1 nuke = Turkey kerplunk. Not that it would have ever have come to war but neither the Turkish navy nor air force would have lasted long against their British counterparts. I concede that Turkey's army would have been numerically superior albeit individually inferior but they would have no hope in a conventional war with no navy or airforce.

Incidentally I believe Turkish pilots have improved and have said so in a previous posting where I have argued that Turkey has nothing to fear from the ROC and Greece.

I don't know whether some thick Turkish soldiers fired shots into the base (more errors) but the British military there would have, without doubt, been aware that Turkey would not have wished them to have done so and would accordingly ignore such stupidity.

You are spot on Mr T about Britain and Turkey. Y-Fred is simply a nationalistic Turkish dreamer. I bet he even has dreams of the US being scared of Turkey. In fact I'm sure it was Y-Fred who said a while back that Turkey was going to sink the US Sixth Fleet if it became involved in the conflict.

Turkey, especially in 1974, but still even today, is not even in the same league as Britain when it comes to fighting conventional wars. Compared to British troops, the Turks are poorly trained, poorly equipped, conscripts! The British have a fully professional army that are among the best trained in the world, with the most advanced weapon systems in the world and more experience of fighting wars across the world than any other nation. The Turkish Navy wouldn't even have dared come out of its base had the Royal Navy been in the vicinity. So there wouldn't have even been an invasion to begin with! The Turks have nothing that can compete with Royal Navy attack submarines and destroyers. Turkey would have struggled to handle Greece, let alone Britain!

I don't know what Callaghan himself said, but an individual coward who was scared of the political consequences of war doesn't mean anything. The fact is a British Select Committee has found that the British had the means to stop the invasion, and legally, they probably should have done. The Turks struggled with a disunited Cyprus, and their military performance was generally regarded as poor by most analysts. Imagine a modern powerful force opposing them, they would have been annihilated!

Further, you might want to re-consider what Callaghan was prepared to do at the time Y-Fred:

It was reported in the press at the time that Kissinger first discouraged Britain from mounting a joint intervention with Turkey with the object of restoring the legitimate government and then told the British foreign secretary, James Callaghan, not to be a boy scout when he suggested that Britain stage a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus. Kissinger’s “nos” speak complicity.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism6.htm

Y-Fred is a comedian indeed!

It was reported in the press at that time, eh? Britain officially explained why they didn't wanted to intervene jointly with Turkey. As for the suggestion of staging a naval operation to prevent Turkish landings on Cyprus; it was considered as a tactical step to lure US armed forces into the mess. US administration didn't accept this proposal because behind this proposal of Britain there isn't an aim of Britain waring with Turkey but an intention to lure US armed forces into area... It was an opportunity for Brits to lure US armed forces into Cyprus and hand over the bases to them and getting rid of the pain having sovereign bases in Cyprus.

What a load of non-sensical rubbish.

My point is that Britain easily had the strength in its Naval might alone to prevent the Turkish invasion. So what you have written above is irrelevant to my point anyway.

[Simon]

I can't believe Mr T actually said Turkey would sink the sixth fleet. That is the most delusional statement I have ever heard. The sixth fleet could destroy the entire Turk Navy and then some, and if the Turk Navy fired upon them the entire US military would respond. See Turks are confusing the need for their NATO base with fear. The US has the ability to make a big hole where Turkey is and so does the British. By the way Turkey would have never invaded without the British given the ok.

Reh Americano, that was not my opinion. That was a factual statement that I personally heard a general make. They had the planes ready to dive into the 6th fleet if US interfered. I have no doubt that they would have tried it. Whether it would succeed or not it is open to debate. My own opinion is that the yanks are such crap soldiers that it probably would have succeeded. It was the yanks that did not believe pearl harbour could happen, and I guess that was me being delusional too.

See what I mean? These Turks are hilarious. What was this delusional General's name? If only they would have attacked the Sixth Fleet, it would have been one of the happiest moments of my life.

[YFred]

I can't believe Mr T actually said Turkey would sink the sixth fleet. That is the most delusional statement I have ever heard. The sixth fleet could destroy the entire Turk Navy and then some, and if the Turk Navy fired upon them the entire US military would respond. See Turks are confusing the need for their NATO base with fear. The US has the ability to make a big hole where Turkey is and so does the British. By the way Turkey would have never invaded without the British given the ok.

Reh Americano, that was not my opinion. That was a factual statement that I personally heard a general make. They had the planes ready to dive into the 6th fleet if US interfered. I have no doubt that they would have tried it. Whether it would succeed or not it is open to debate. My own opinion is that the yanks are such crap soldiers that it probably would have succeeded. It was the yanks that did not believe pearl harbour could happen, and I guess that was me being delusional too.

See what I mean? These Turks are hilarious. What was this delusional General's name? If only they would have attacked the Sixth Fleet, it would have been one of the happiest moments of my life.

If I told you I would have to kill you, do you still wish to know?

Are you doubting that there are such people in Turkey and they would make such plans?
Are you mad?

[Simon]

I can't believe Mr T actually said Turkey would sink the sixth fleet. That is the most delusional statement I have ever heard. The sixth fleet could destroy the entire Turk Navy and then some, and if the Turk Navy fired upon them the entire US military would respond. See Turks are confusing the need for their NATO base with fear. The US has the ability to make a big hole where Turkey is and so does the British. By the way Turkey would have never invaded without the British given the ok.

Reh Americano, that was not my opinion. That was a factual statement that I personally heard a general make. They had the planes ready to dive into the 6th fleet if US interfered. I have no doubt that they would have tried it. Whether it would succeed or not it is open to debate. My own opinion is that the yanks are such crap soldiers that it probably would have succeeded. It was the yanks that did not believe pearl harbour could happen, and I guess that was me being delusional too.

See what I mean? These Turks are hilarious. What was this delusional General's name? If only they would have attacked the Sixth Fleet, it would have been one of the happiest moments of my life.

If I told you I would have to kill you, do you still wish to know?

Are you doubting that there are such people in Turkey and they would make such plans?
Are you mad?

I don't doubt that there are such delusional people in Turkey making crazy plans, but the fact is the whole Turkish Navy would have been obliterated if they attempted such a thing! No nation on earth could successfully take on the US Navy. Even the Soviets had an inferior Navy to the US, let alone mediocre Turkey!