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[YFred]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

[Mr. T]

oh please Youtube video now maybe you need a education. Go to school and live real life big guy.

Rather difficult seeing the truth. When the real facts come out and likes of you see that Americans have killed up to a million Iraqis I wonder if you will be on this website.

Another ridiculous comment. Unless, of course, one looks at the literal meaning of of your statement i.e. up to one million could be any number below one million. Perhaps 123,456, 203,975 or 56,918!
It would be less unimpressive if you stated a realistic figure based on good research and sources.

By far and away the largest number of Iraqis killed have been killed by Muslim Iraqis and the vast percentage of these have been after the initial invasion.

[YFred]

oh please Youtube video now maybe you need a education. Go to school and live real life big guy.

Rather difficult seeing the truth. When the real facts come out and likes of you see that Americans have killed up to a million Iraqis I wonder if you will be on this website.

Another ridiculous comment. Unless, of course, one looks at the literal meaning of of your statement i.e. up to one million could be any number below one million. Perhaps 123,456, 203,975 or 56,918!
It would be less unimpressive if you stated a realistic figure based on good research and sources.

By far and away the largest number of Iraqis killed have been killed by Muslim Iraqis and the vast percentage of these have been after the initial invasion.

It makes no difference when they were killed and by whom. They were killed during and after the invasion. The real figure will be between 500000 and a million, but of course we don't know as the western forces stopped counting. The figure of up to 1 million was quoted by the Lancet Journal and it came from the research they were able to make with great difficulty. We will know the truth when the yanks are kicked out of Iraq and the Iraqis have a real democratic government as opposed to a puppet one that they have now.

So please continue with your slumber of the real world.
BTW I normally charge for educting people but this time I am doing it for free.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance ... 40-6736(06)69491-9/abstract

[Mr. T]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

Yes, please post the notes. Callaghan was a typical socialist wimp but militarily Britain would have nothing to fear from Turkey. 1 nuke = Turkey kerplunk. Not that it would have ever have come to war but neither the Turkish navy nor air force would have lasted long against their British counterparts. I concede that Turkey's army would have been numerically superior albeit individually inferior but they would have no hope in a conventional war with no navy or airforce.

Incidentally I believe Turkish pilots have improved and have said so in a previous posting where I have argued that Turkey has nothing to fear from the ROC and Greece.

I don't know whether some thick Turkish soldiers fired shots into the base (more errors) but the British military there would have, without doubt, been aware that Turkey would not have wished them to have done so and would accordingly ignore such stupidity.

[YFred]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". The operation would have to be led by Australia, because Australian troops are far too good and MUST NEVER again be placed under the command of foreigners. This would ensure victory just like it did in East Timor...

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

...and my father-in-law attends Anzac day Celebrations regularly.

I took you for a more serious fellow re Bafidis. Your sense of humour is........................well, just great.

Where is Insan when you need him? He found some Official source of what Bafidis’s brave ausi soldiers did when the war started in 1974. They made sure they were in the Barracks. Barrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa
Three cheers for the brave Australians.

Dont mock the Anzacs Yfred, just the 'venture' itself. Greece could do nothing and it is almost next door. The Aussies couldnt do much without other western help.

I was refering to the ausi soldiers in the British camps in Cyprus during 74. They were confined in the barracks in case they got shot.
That is how brave they were, hiding under their beds.

That has nothing to do with the bravery of the Aussies then. Orders are orders. The cowardly Brits wanted to keep the conflict localised. The last thing they wanted was to be involved in a conflict, where the outcome would be hard to fathom. The Brit Gov showed their mettle, when Kallig Khan (Callaghan) refused to intervene with Turkey to Oust Sampson.

From what I have read, Kallig Khan feared that if he took Turkey on, he would lose and consequently lose the Cyprus bases and be totally humiliated like the Yanks in Vietnam as it was fresh in their minds at the time. It was a good tactical decision on his part and saved the bases. The fact that it ruined Cyprus as a unitary state was not a problem for him, as it was the wish of the Americans that Cyprus had effectively became part of Nato through the back door without the expressed wish of her people. But then again, where did America show any respect to democratic principles?

I have just been watching some great comedy but you are a much better comedian than any comic I have ever heard.

Britain had no more need to intervene than any other country when Turkey came to the aide of TCs so why should it get involved.

Turkey would have been scared witless of military engagement against Britain as can be seen by the fact that the Turkish army halted at the borders of the British base of Dhekalia although to be fair they were brave enough (sic) to attack a defenseless British jounalist near Nicosia.

Surely you cannot be as stupid as you make out. Britain would lose against Turkey?. Don't be silly. If Britain had decided to take on Turkey the later would have capitulated within 30 minutes if Britain wanted it to.
What exactly is the flying time from Akrotiri to Turkey!

You will find that the real comedian was Mr Callaghan himself. Those were the comments he made in secret papers that were released recently under the FOI act. The UK government feared Turkey.

Is it not true that the Turks actually fired in error into the bases and the Brits did not respond?

Has Hannibal eaten anybody recently? Where is Mad Murdock? What have you done with them?

Insan, you are needed again. Mr T from the A-Team would like to read Mr Callaghan's notes that you found and published here few months back. So please find them.

Yes, please post the notes. Callaghan was a typical socialist wimp but militarily Britain would have nothing to fear from Turkey. 1 nuke = Turkey kerplunk. Not that it would have ever have come to war but neither the Turkish navy nor air force would have lasted long against their British counterparts. I concede that Turkey's army would have been numerically superior albeit individually inferior but they would have no hope in a conventional war with no navy or airforce.

Incidentally I believe Turkish pilots have improved and have said so in a previous posting where I have argued that Turkey has nothing to fear from the ROC and Greece.

I don't know whether some thick Turkish soldiers fired shots into the base (more errors) but the British military there would have, without doubt, been aware that Turkey would not have wished them to have done so and would accordingly ignore such stupidity.

Insan has them and will. From what I remember of the incident, it was a tank that was fired into the base.
Why does everybody assume that UK would use it's nuke facilities. UK can't do jack shit without US approval regarding Nukes.

[Get Real!]

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the United States Senate sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”

[Mr. T]

oh please Youtube video now maybe you need a education. Go to school and live real life big guy.

Rather difficult seeing the truth. When the real facts come out and likes of you see that Americans have killed up to a million Iraqis I wonder if you will be on this website.

Another ridiculous comment. Unless, of course, one looks at the literal meaning of of your statement i.e. up to one million could be any number below one million. Perhaps 123,456, 203,975 or 56,918!
It would be less unimpressive if you stated a realistic figure based on good research and sources.

By far and away the largest number of Iraqis killed have been killed by Muslim Iraqis and the vast percentage of these have been after the initial invasion.

It makes no difference when they were killed and by whom. They were killed during and after the invasion. The real figure will be between 500000 and a million, but of course we don't know as the western forces stopped counting. The figure of up to 1 million was quoted by the Lancet Journal and it came from the research they were able to make with great difficulty. We will know the truth when the yanks are kicked out of Iraq and the Iraqis have a real democratic government as opposed to a puppet one that they have now.

So please continue with your slumber of the real world.
BTW I normally charge for educting people but this time I am doing it for free.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance ... 40-6736(06)69491-9/abstract

You initially stated that the killings were by Americans but are now changing your tune.

I am not sure that a medical journal such as The Lancet is a good source to quote. Perhaps www.iraqbodycount.org would be more sensible.
If you call this education don't bother.

Having said that you can let me know what a BTW is.

[Melan]

omg! its a boom overhere..!!
the war is not a solution..
doesnt solve anything.. just more problems..
it destroy civilizations.......!!!
and we dont even have the 5% of turkey's weapons!!
the poll showed a persantage of 40 vs 60..
this is so silly.. there is no victory with a war..
we are lost that way..!

[Get Real!]

Neither of you know what you're talking about when it comes to Iraq because let’s face it… you don’t care enough to study and keep informed on the matter on a regular basis.

In the past I’ve written many times on the issue and provided credible evidence of a whopping 1.5 million dead Iraqis since the US first invaded.

Suicide bombing victims are a relatively insignificant portion of this figure which can be easily calculated using common sense…

If I estimate a very generous 500 suicide bombing attempts, each of which has successfully murdered 20 people, you end up with just 10,000 victims and 1.49 million victims still unaccounted for! Go figure…

[Get Real!]

omg! its a boom overhere..!!
the war is not a solution..
doesnt solve anything.. just more problems..
it destroy civilizations.......!!!
and we dont even have the 5% of turkey's weapons!!
the poll showed a persantage of 40 vs 60..
this is so silly.. there is no victory with a war..
we are lost that way..!

Move along girlie... this thread is obviously not for you!