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[Nikitas]

The military conflict has some interesting points to ponder.

Seeing the situation from the point of view of the commanders of each side provides some challenges.

The National Guard has a comparatively limited objective, to recapture the north. The area is right next door, so there is no major logistical problem. The biggest problem the NG would face is preventing the air force and navy from operating, which is doable but not with current military thinking.

Inventive thinking would require preparations to deal with HARM and HOPPY weapons that the Turkish air force has, and so far there is not much preparation in that direction.

In the event of a defensive action, the NG will have the task of dealing with 400 tanks in addition to the air force and navy. Again, it is doable, on the same conditions as above. There are weapons in the arsenal of the NG right now that can deal with tanks very effectively.


Looking at the situation from the other side, in the case of a defensive action they would have to call in air support and possibly naval bombardment of coastal areas. The question here would be to bomb what? During the first minutes of a military action there is dispersal of forces and all bases are empty and basically useless as targets. Bombing ports and civilian targets would not offer much support to the military.

In an offensive action presumably the objectives would be to capture key poins such as ports, air ports, communications and to blockade the island, cutting off the seaway between Greece and Cyprus.

The actual situation on the ground would quickly become secondary to the international political situation that would arise. Whoever is the attacker, or is seen to be the attacker, would be quickly slapped down by powers that value stability. It is unlikely that any projection of power in international waters would be tolerated for long. Neither could the conflict be kept localised for more than a day or two before it escalates to a full confrontation between Greece and Turkey on a front stretching from Cyprus to the triple border point with Bulgaria. Whatever happens must happen in hours rather than days.

Suppose one side prevails, and takes over the whole island, then comes the problem of "now you got it, what are you going to do with it". Which of the two sides has the means to police hundreds of thousands of armed people who will be taking pot shots at the enemy?

Definitely not an easy one.

[Paphitis]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". Cyprus would be liberated in 3 days!

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

Underestimating the Turkish Army again. Tut Tut

We kicked your buts. It was a tactical withdrawal, but overall the AIF kicked Turkish butt. In the end, the cost was too high, and the AIF withdrew 100,000 troops overnight from under your noses under the cover of darkness and deployed on the Western Front.

Attaturk thought the AIF was the most superior force. He was honored to face such menacing superiority!

[London]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". Cyprus would be liberated in 3 days!

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

Underestimating the Turkish Army again. Tut Tut

We kicked your buts. It was a tactical withdrawal, but overall the AIF kicked Turkish butt. In the end, the cost was too high, and the AIF withdrew 100,000 troops overnight from under your noses under the cover of darkness and deployed on the Western Front.

Attaturk thought the AIF was the most superior force. He was honored to face such menacing superiority!

Haha you make me laugh. Thats right keep talking about events that happened nearly a hundred years ago!! Cos the world hasn't changed since then

[Dr J]

London i think you overestimate the TAF is the issue here.

I think its rich how its ok for Turkey to use excess force to ethnically cleanse the north and now use unfair ransom demands for a settlement - and then turn around and say that we should accept those ransom demands and not use force to rightfully take back what is ours.

It's the Turks who are being unreasonable here.

[insan]

The military conflict has some interesting points to ponder.

Seeing the situation from the point of view of the commanders of each side provides some challenges.

The National Guard has a comparatively limited objective, to recapture the north. The area is right next door, so there is no major logistical problem. The biggest problem the NG would face is preventing the air force and navy from operating, which is doable but not with current military thinking.

Inventive thinking would require preparations to deal with HARM and HOPPY weapons that the Turkish air force has, and so far there is not much preparation in that direction.

In the event of a defensive action, the NG will have the task of dealing with 400 tanks in addition to the air force and navy. Again, it is doable, on the same conditions as above. There are weapons in the arsenal of the NG right now that can deal with tanks very effectively.


Looking at the situation from the other side, in the case of a defensive action they would have to call in air support and possibly naval bombardment of coastal areas. The question here would be to bomb what? During the first minutes of a military action there is dispersal of forces and all bases are empty and basically useless as targets. Bombing ports and civilian targets would not offer much support to the military.

In an offensive action presumably the objectives would be to capture key poins such as ports, air ports, communications and to blockade the island, cutting off the seaway between Greece and Cyprus.

The actual situation on the ground would quickly become secondary to the international political situation that would arise. Whoever is the attacker, or is seen to be the attacker, would be quickly slapped down by powers that value stability. It is unlikely that any projection of power in international waters would be tolerated for long. Neither could the conflict be kept localised for more than a day or two before it escalates to a full confrontation between Greece and Turkey on a front stretching from Cyprus to the triple border point with Bulgaria. Whatever happens must happen in hours rather than days.

Suppose one side prevails, and takes over the whole island, then comes the problem of "now you got it, what are you going to do with it". Which of the two sides has the means to police hundreds of thousands of armed people who will be taking pot shots at the enemy?

Definitely not an easy one.

Even seems impossible to me... I suppose who believes that a military conflict would solve the Cyprus problem, anticipates that would be organized by EU forces against Turkey and it's allies?

Such a case means Turkey was out of NATO and in an alliance with Russia, Turkic states and some Arab countries and even Korea and China?

What a fool u r GR and all who voted yes to this poll. Come out and speak out what funny ideas u have in ur minds regarding a military conflict over Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

Anyway, in time Christofias’ “agreements” will also be filed away with the rest of the “agreements” and we may even see a few more “agreements” from the next government (quite possibly DISY) get shelved, until the time comes when military conflict will resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all... and to be quite frank with you I’m looking forward to that day.

One of the most stupid members of this forum, foolishly suggested that a war would resolve the Cyprus problem once and for all. Do u agree with him... if yes, let's talk about some possible war scenarios.

I have severe wet dreams of Australia deploying its ADF to the British SBA's and leading an offensive against Turkish Occupation forces in Cyprus, thus liberating the island in 5 minutes.

It would be absolutely great if Australia led a 'coalition of the willing', unleashing its wrath upon the inferior TA, scorching the earth within the so called "trnc". Cyprus would be liberated in 3 days!

If only I was Australia's PM! I would put Australia's new Aircraft carriers to the test as well....

Underestimating the Turkish Army again. Tut Tut

We kicked your buts. It was a tactical withdrawal, but overall the AIF kicked Turkish butt. In the end, the cost was too high, and the AIF withdrew 100,000 troops overnight from under your noses under the cover of darkness and deployed on the Western Front.

Attaturk thought the AIF was the most superior force. He was honored to face such menacing superiority!

Haha you make me laugh. Thats right keep talking about events that happened nearly a hundred years ago!! Cos the world hasn't changed since then

All I have to say is that if my dreams come true, I am going to have to quit my job and re-enlist.

I'm off to bed. Getting up early for my morning swim and then I'm off to the gym....

[Viewpoint]

One thing for sure there will be lots of deaths but unleashed the Turkish Army in 1974 just showed you a glimse of their ferocity during combat..this time there will be no survivors...attack the TRNC and see the outcome. Surely GCs cannot be that foolish a second time or can they?

[AmericanGC]

As a American Greek Cypriot I served in The United States military and I saw first hand how terrible the TAF is. They were built up by the United States and I saw that Turkish Officers were attending officers canidate schools in America. But the basic capabilities of the rank and file of the TAF were substandard. However most militaries we trainned and served with had something that stood out, for example the Australian special forces were very skilled and the Greek Navy is off the charts impressive, the South Koreans also very strong. But nothing to say about the TAF other than the bases are very important to NATO.

As far as a military solution to Cyprus, I think no matter how "stupid" you may think it is, It is stupid to think it is not a possibility. If the Cyprus talks end in failure or fail to serve Turkey in their EU ambitions, Turkey will ramp up the threats and aggressive actions. The offshore exploration is a possible flash point for conflict, as Turkey already said they wont allow it and the GC have said they will not give in to threats.

The CNG has become very capable over the years and is becoming more modern. The CNG Officers train in Greece, France, Russia, and Serbia. They are starting to become active outside of Cyprus aswell. If Turkey attacks while Greek forces are stationed on Cyprus by way of military agreements this will be seen as a direct attack on Greece by Turkey. It is almost impossible to keep Greece out of the picture. The CNG has the ability to handle the TAF and TC forces as in Cyprus, the CNG can also provide a good anti aircraft defense and anti missle defense. The TAF does not have the advantage in fighting a war with Greece and Cyprus at once. And if this were to happen Turkey would be reminded of just how many enimies they have and supporters Greece and GC has. The Armenian and Serbian forces would be in full support against Turkey and the Kurdish rebals would have a all out offensive as well. The French would indirectily support Cyprus as well. On the other hand I don't see anyone fully commiting to helping Turkey. Don't forget the worlwide support aswell, there will be GC, Greeks and supports from all over the world wanting to join the fight to support GC. I happen to know for a fact that Greeks and GC would come from Australia, the United States, and all over to form a irregular force, you would also get orthodox support as well.

[Viewpoint]

As a American Greek Cypriot I served in The United States military and I saw first hand how terrible the TAF is. They were built up by the United States and I saw that Turkish Officers were attending officers canidate schools in America. But the basic capabilities of the rank and file of the TAF were substandard. However most militaries we trainned and served with had something that stood out, for example the Australian special forces were very skilled and the Greek Navy is off the charts impressive, the South Koreans also very strong. But nothing to say about the TAF other than the bases are very important to NATO.

As far as a military solution to Cyprus, I think no matter how "stupid" you may think it is, It is stupid to think it is not a possibility. If the Cyprus talks end in failure or fail to serve Turkey in their EU ambitions, Turkey will ramp up the threats and aggressive actions. The offshore exploration is a possible flash point for conflict, as Turkey already said they wont allow it and the GC have said they will not give in to threats.

The CNG has become very capable over the years and is becoming more modern. The CNG Officers train in Greece, France, Russia, and Serbia. They are starting to become active outside of Cyprus aswell. If Turkey attacks while Greek forces are stationed on Cyprus by way of military agreements this will be seen as a direct attack on Greece by Turkey. It is almost impossible to keep Greece out of the picture. The CNG has the ability to handle the TAF and TC forces as in Cyprus, the CNG can also provide a good anti aircraft defense and anti missle defense. The TAF does not have the advantage in fighting a war with Greece and Cyprus at once. And if this were to happen Turkey would be reminded of just how many enimies they have and supporters Greece and GC has. The Armenian and Serbian forces would be in full support against Turkey and the Kurdish rebals would have a all out offensive as well. The French would indirectily support Cyprus as well. On the other hand I don't see anyone fully commiting to helping Turkey. Don't forget the worlwide support aswell, there will be GC, Greeks and supports from all over the world wanting to join the fight to support GC. I happen to know for a fact that Greeks and GC would come from Australia, the United States, and all over to form a irregular force, you would also get orthodox support as well.

Piece of cake really...why not go for it tomorrow but dont cry to the world when Turkey hits back and hits back hard, with their sub standard army of course.

[YFred]

As a American Greek Cypriot I served in The United States military and I saw first hand how terrible the TAF is. They were built up by the United States and I saw that Turkish Officers were attending officers canidate schools in America. But the basic capabilities of the rank and file of the TAF were substandard. However most militaries we trainned and served with had something that stood out, for example the Australian special forces were very skilled and the Greek Navy is off the charts impressive, the South Koreans also very strong. But nothing to say about the TAF other than the bases are very important to NATO.

As far as a military solution to Cyprus, I think no matter how "stupid" you may think it is, It is stupid to think it is not a possibility. If the Cyprus talks end in failure or fail to serve Turkey in their EU ambitions, Turkey will ramp up the threats and aggressive actions. The offshore exploration is a possible flash point for conflict, as Turkey already said they wont allow it and the GC have said they will not give in to threats.

The CNG has become very capable over the years and is becoming more modern. The CNG Officers train in Greece, France, Russia, and Serbia. They are starting to become active outside of Cyprus aswell. If Turkey attacks while Greek forces are stationed on Cyprus by way of military agreements this will be seen as a direct attack on Greece by Turkey. It is almost impossible to keep Greece out of the picture. The CNG has the ability to handle the TAF and TC forces as in Cyprus, the CNG can also provide a good anti aircraft defense and anti missle defense. The TAF does not have the advantage in fighting a war with Greece and Cyprus at once. And if this were to happen Turkey would be reminded of just how many enimies they have and supporters Greece and GC has. The Armenian and Serbian forces would be in full support against Turkey and the Kurdish rebals would have a all out offensive as well. The French would indirectily support Cyprus as well. On the other hand I don't see anyone fully commiting to helping Turkey. Don't forget the worlwide support aswell, there will be GC, Greeks and supports from all over the world wanting to join the fight to support GC. I happen to know for a fact that Greeks and GC would come from Australia, the United States, and all over to form a irregular force, you would also get orthodox support as well.

Oh well we've had it then. You are such a pratt. Greece had a chance to come to GCs aid and chickened out. This time will be no different. Stop kidding yourselves and get on with it. What other reason do you need. They are occupying your country; you have every legal justification you need. There is only one explanation why you haven't attacked and that is your generals in Greece and Cyprus know exactly what you will get, annihilated. So please let us know when you intend to start, because we may be needed just in case. So either put up or shut up.
Yankee doodle dandy nancy boy.