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Fact or Fiction ? Turks AND Kurds founded Republic of Turkey

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Postby insan » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:11 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Kurdish MPs, can't speak Kurdish in parliament because put aside the Turkish MPs; vast majority of the Kurdish origin MPs even can't understand and speak Kurdish. Besides if some Kurdish MPs speak and understand one dialect of Kurdish, they can't speak and understand other dialect of Kurdish.


So, you accept that ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

However, Turkey did worse than just ban Kurdish from official meetings: they banned Kurdish dialects from being taught or spoken generally, even by little children!


Under current circumstances of Turkey ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

It is true that Turkish governments had done a very big mistake by banning the Kurdish dialects being spoken and taught.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:45 pm

insan wrote:
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insan wrote:Kurdish MPs, can't speak Kurdish in parliament because put aside the Turkish MPs; vast majority of the Kurdish origin MPs even can't understand and speak Kurdish. Besides if some Kurdish MPs speak and understand one dialect of Kurdish, they can't speak and understand other dialect of Kurdish.


So, you accept that ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

However, Turkey did worse than just ban Kurdish from official meetings: they banned Kurdish dialects from being taught or spoken generally, even by little children!


Under current circumstances of Turkey ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:


Then I take it you will apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support the reasonable move to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. :)

It is true that Turkish governments had done a very big mistake by banning the Kurdish dialects being spoken and taught.


Thank you insan. Such a thing is deplorable and would never happen in Cyprus.
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Postby insan » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:57 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Kurdish MPs, can't speak Kurdish in parliament because put aside the Turkish MPs; vast majority of the Kurdish origin MPs even can't understand and speak Kurdish. Besides if some Kurdish MPs speak and understand one dialect of Kurdish, they can't speak and understand other dialect of Kurdish.


So, you accept that ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

However, Turkey did worse than just ban Kurdish from official meetings: they banned Kurdish dialects from being taught or spoken generally, even by little children!


Under current circumstances of Turkey ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:


Then I take it you will apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support the reasonable move to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. :)

It is true that Turkish governments had done a very big mistake by banning the Kurdish dialects being spoken and taught.


Thank you insan. Such a thing is deplorable and would never happen in Cyprus.


In case we unite under a federal state which 2 main ethnic groups of Cyprus would have political equality, we couldn't apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support moveing to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. How?

How would TC MPs speak and understand Greek speaking MPs? How would TCs read and understand what was written on official documents?
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Postby Oracle » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:25 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Kurdish MPs, can't speak Kurdish in parliament because put aside the Turkish MPs; vast majority of the Kurdish origin MPs even can't understand and speak Kurdish. Besides if some Kurdish MPs speak and understand one dialect of Kurdish, they can't speak and understand other dialect of Kurdish.


So, you accept that ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

However, Turkey did worse than just ban Kurdish from official meetings: they banned Kurdish dialects from being taught or spoken generally, even by little children!


Under current circumstances of Turkey ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:


Then I take it you will apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support the reasonable move to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. :)

It is true that Turkish governments had done a very big mistake by banning the Kurdish dialects being spoken and taught.


Thank you insan. Such a thing is deplorable and would never happen in Cyprus.


In case we unite under a federal state which 2 main ethnic groups of Cyprus would have political equality, we couldn't apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support moveing to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. How?

How would TC MPs speak and understand Greek speaking MPs? How would TCs read and understand what was written on official documents?


Now do you see how impractical, hypocritical and unfair your "2 main ethnic groups" and "political equality" demands upon Cyprus are? You are not prepared to give such rights to the Kurds, yet you demand them here!

You have quashed and silenced the Kurds, in their home territory, and you have set out to do the same with us! If anyone gives you an inch (in trust), you abuse it and take a mile ....
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Postby insan » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:57 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Kurdish MPs, can't speak Kurdish in parliament because put aside the Turkish MPs; vast majority of the Kurdish origin MPs even can't understand and speak Kurdish. Besides if some Kurdish MPs speak and understand one dialect of Kurdish, they can't speak and understand other dialect of Kurdish.


So, you accept that ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

However, Turkey did worse than just ban Kurdish from official meetings: they banned Kurdish dialects from being taught or spoken generally, even by little children!


Under current circumstances of Turkey ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:


Then I take it you will apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support the reasonable move to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. :)

It is true that Turkish governments had done a very big mistake by banning the Kurdish dialects being spoken and taught.


Thank you insan. Such a thing is deplorable and would never happen in Cyprus.


In case we unite under a federal state which 2 main ethnic groups of Cyprus would have political equality, we couldn't apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support moveing to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. How?

How would TC MPs speak and understand Greek speaking MPs? How would TCs read and understand what was written on official documents?


Now do you see how impractical, hypocritical and unfair your "2 main ethnic groups" and "political equality" demands in Cyprus are?

You have quashed and silenced the Kurds, in their home territory, and you have set out to do the same with us! If anyone gives you an inch (in trust), you abuse it and take a mile ....


No... I don't see our above mentioned demands as impractical, hypocritical and unfair.

Turkish governments did that mistake under their own political and economic circumstances. There r many other states that did similar mistakes; e.g, Greece to Macedonian,Turkish and muslim minorities, Russia to it's own ethnic groups, Spain to Basque and Catalon people.. etc.

Turkey hasn't set out to do the same to GCs; it's irrelevant... How did u come to a such a conclusion?

If anyone gives us an inch(in trust) be sure we would reciprocate it by having at least an inch of trust towards who trust us...
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Postby Oracle » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:18 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Kurdish MPs, can't speak Kurdish in parliament because put aside the Turkish MPs; vast majority of the Kurdish origin MPs even can't understand and speak Kurdish. Besides if some Kurdish MPs speak and understand one dialect of Kurdish, they can't speak and understand other dialect of Kurdish.


So, you accept that ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:

However, Turkey did worse than just ban Kurdish from official meetings: they banned Kurdish dialects from being taught or spoken generally, even by little children!


Under current circumstances of Turkey ONE Official (administrative) language is more practical. :wink:


Then I take it you will apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support the reasonable move to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. :)

It is true that Turkish governments had done a very big mistake by banning the Kurdish dialects being spoken and taught.


Thank you insan. Such a thing is deplorable and would never happen in Cyprus.


In case we unite under a federal state which 2 main ethnic groups of Cyprus would have political equality, we couldn't apply some similar logic to Cyprus and support moveing to have Greek as the ONE official language in Cyprus. How?

How would TC MPs speak and understand Greek speaking MPs? How would TCs read and understand what was written on official documents?


Now do you see how impractical, hypocritical and unfair your "2 main ethnic groups" and "political equality" demands in Cyprus are?

You have quashed and silenced the Kurds, in their home territory, and you have set out to do the same with us! If anyone gives you an inch (in trust), you abuse it and take a mile ....


No... I don't see our above mentioned demands as impractical, hypocritical and unfair.

Turkish governments did that mistake under their own political and economic circumstances. There r many other states that did similar mistakes; e.g, Greece to Macedonian,Turkish and muslim minorities, Russia to it's own ethnic groups, Spain to Basque and Catalon people.. etc.

Turkey hasn't set out to do the same to GCs; it's irrelevant... How did u come to a such a conclusion?

If anyone gives us an inch(in trust) be sure we would reciprocate it by having at least an inch of trust towards who trust us...


You see only what you want to see. You are asking of such a small country like Cyprus to accept a second Official language of Turkish, when the Kurds are denied that "luxury" by Turkey in their own country. Let alone the fact that Greek has been the language of the majority in Cyprus for thousands of years; yet, you would impose a second foreign language simply because 10% of the population do not want to learn Greek (or English). But, you expect 20 Million Kurds to not only speak Turkish but observe a ban from even social use of their own language.

This all comes about because you want to impose two ethnic groups with "political equality" to run the country instead of the more sensible and civilised Democracy the rest of us (majority) want. And to suit this outdated system, you add another divisive layer by insisting some speak Turkish!

And don't pretend Turkey is not out to completely remove the Greek language from Cyprus as they seem to have done a pretty good "accidental" job of renaming the GC villages ....
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Postby Oracle » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:21 pm

insan wrote:If anyone gives us an inch(in trust) be sure we would reciprocate it by having at least an inch of trust towards who trust us...


You really are idolising Turkey with rose tinted spectacles if you could possibly believe that!

Perhaps you had better take them off and re-read GreekForumer's opening post about how the Turks back-stabbed the Kurds ... just for starters!
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Postby insan » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:52 pm

Oracle, it seems like only u and some other extremist GCs and Greeks r aware what u have suggested in ur posts. Why don't ur elected politicians and representatives do not speak out such things u and ur alikes claim/demand?

As long as ur official representatives don't speak out the things u and ur alikes give voice to on this forum and some other Hellenic internet sources; I can't take u any serious to discuss or debate anything...
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:58 pm

For the record, this is how a typical kurdish citizen of Turkey feels about what Insan claims here.

http://www.kurdistan.org/Current-Update ... 22405.html
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:09 pm

insan wrote:In case we unite under a federal state which 2 main ethnic groups of Cyprus would have political equality,

Turkish Cypriots are not a “main ethnic group” by any measure or definition. There are around 200,000 illegal Anatolian immigrants in the occupied territory and 60,000 odd Brits living legally in the unoccupied territory of Cyprus as permanent residents, so as you can see you’re not even the second largest ethnic group!
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