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By Loucas Charalambous
THE WAR declared by the island’s hardliners and super-patriots against the UN Secretary-General’s Special Representative, officials of the EU and of a variety of countries has taken the form of schizophrenic hysteria. As the natural end of the Cyprus negotiations process approaches, the hysteria is reaching the levels it hit in the run-up to the 2004 referendum.

It makes one wonder what the need for this polemic is, given that their objective – no solution – has already been achieved. Even more bewildering is all the activity we have been witnessing by foreigners, who have been zealously urging us to seize the last opportunity to solve our problem. Why are they wasting their time with us? Are they not fed up of us yet, or do they have nothing better to do?

I find it difficult to believe that despite all the experience foreigners have through dealing with us, they have still not understood what is blatantly obvious even to 10-year-old. We have fully adjusted to partition; we are content with it and that this is now a conscious choice.

This is no exaggeration. It is very clear that the wish of the overwhelming majority of the Greek Cypriots, including the refugees and their descendants, is the continuation of the present separation. And it is no coincidence that most surveys conducted show big support for partition as the solution.

The demands for a fair and workable settlement are plain hypocrisy. Our politicians and many ordinary people are ashamed to admit that they support partition which is why they talk about ‘workability’. No Cypriot is naive enough to think that a return to the pre-1974 state of affairs was remotely possible or to believe that a settlement better than the one offered in 2004 could be secured.

There is nobody who does not recognise that the passing of time serves to cement partition. Simply put, partition is a conscious choice. In this respect, we were unfair to the late Tassos Papadopoulos in attributing the result of the 2004 referendum to his opposition to a settlement.

After April 2004, I did extensive research on why people voted ‘no’, cataloguing a range of motives for the decision to reject the settlement. I collected responses from hundreds of people and the indisputable conclusion was that the vast majority of the Greek Cypriots were content with partition.

They did not want any other settlement because – quite absurdly – they feared that any change could adversely affect their personal interests. As long as a referendum remained a part of the peace process, it would easier for the sun to rise in the west than for Greek Cypriots to vote for a settlement.

It is a historical truth that war always gives rise to new interests. The new interests created in the Greek Cypriot community in the last 35 years are now so powerful they would even reject enosis as a settlement it were offered to us today.

Under the circumstances all the foreigners - Ban Ki-Moon, Lyn Pascoe, Alexander Downer, Carl Bildt and the rest – who are meddling in our affairs, provoking, rabid, daily responses from those who are protecting their interests, should leave us alone. They should focus their attention on the more serious and pressing problems beings faced by millions of people in other parts of the world.
Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[B25]

Says the NeoPartionist from islington or wherever the hell you are. You would just like that, now whats this I hear you have stolen GC property in the north???

Your carpet bagger mates on C44 forum are missing your whinging about what to do. Well just wait for the court summonds, now we know who and where you are, knock knock, was that the front door???

[Viewpoint]

Partition is fast coming up and you GCs will not realize it until it slaps you all in the face like 1974 then for the next 35 years you will be weeping for past chances lost forever....

[bill cobbett]

Partition is fast coming up and you GCs will not realize it until it slaps you all in the face like 1974 then for the next 35 years you will be weeping for past chances lost forever....

VP, a friendly, well intentioned piece of advice... Don't change your profession. Never, ever think of becoming a fortune teller cos you'd be crap at it.

Stay as you are, a land grabbing partitionist.

Damn! There's no future in that either.

Sorry VP but you may have have to look for early retirement.

[paaul12]

4 the people who still dont get it!



Is KKTC a pseudostate Definitely not.

The rights of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) as an independent sovereign state are well defined in Articles 3 and 4 of the Montevideo Convention. Articles 3 and 4 of this convention, dated 1933, are exactly as below:

Article 3:

The political existence of a state is independent of recognition by other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to International Law.

Article 4:

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.
When and where was this Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States held and who signed it?

It was signed in Montevideo, Uruguay, on December 26, 1933 and entered into force on December 26, 1934. Article 8 was reaffirmed by an additional protocol on December 23, 1936.

Bolivia alone amongst the states represented at the Seventh International Conference of American States did not sign the convention. The US, Peru and Brazil ratified the convention with reservations directly attached to the document.

After Turkish Cypriots declared the KKTC --an independent state in the northern territories of Cyprus-- on November 15, 1983, UN Secretary-General Javier Pérez de Cuéllar immediately called the UN Security Council for an urgent and special meeting.

Having heard the statement of the foreign minister of the Greek Cypriot administration, the UN Security Council, at its 2,500th meeting, adopted the infamous resolution filed as UN Resolution 541 (1983) on November 18, 1983.
International law is above any organization such as the UN and the EU. Neither of these organizations has the right to determine the legitimacy of an independent sovereign state. International law defines and sets out the factual existence of states and is able to determine the legal and legitimate rights of states and their relations with each other.

The EU and its member state, The (Greek) Republic of Cyprus cannot claim jurisdiction over the territories of the independent sovereign KKTC state. Therefore the South can never be the legal and legitimate ruler of the whole of Cyprus as stated in the Green Line Regulation, direct trade regulation and financial aid regulation of the EU.

Is the KKTC a pseudo state?

No, it is a real state and it exists.

The UN resolutions like 541 or 550 and EU regulations mentioning the (Greek) Republic of Cyprus as the legal and legitimate ruler of the whole of Cyprus, will only contribute to the delaying of the solution of the Cyprus problem.

International laws of recognition may serve a purpose by providing a framework for a solution to the Cyprus problem. International law says that to overcome the Cyprus problem, a comprehensive formula crafted to meet the unique conditions on the island must be found.

Each party to the dialogue must recognize the legitimacy of the other. Without such reciprocity, productive negotiations will not take place. Immediately prior to a solution each government must extend recognition to its negotiating partner. The advantage of reciprocal recognition followed by a solution is the resolution of the myriad legal problems that would arise if the lawfulness of the statutes or treaties of one of the governments was subsequently called into question.

Prior recognition as a pre-condition before a permanent solution resolves the issue and enhances the chances of success. The doctrine of recognition becomes a means of restoring good relations between the two states of the island of Cyprus.




Hi Zan, hope u r keeping well my dear friend

[Get Real!]

4 the people who still dont get it!

Is KKTC a pseudostate Definitely not.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle27.htm

Always check my website before posting Ata Attun's crap in case I've already trashed it.

[Get Real!]

Well I’ll be damned! It’s that old article from Ata Attun alright…

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazar ... no=114869#

My favorite line is…

“International law is above any organization such as the UN and the EU.”

Turkish Cypriot intelligence at its best!

[Expatkiwi]

Well I’ll be damned! It’s that old article from Ata Attun alright…

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazar ... no=114869#

My favorite line is…

“International law is above any organization such as the UN and the EU.”

Turkish Cypriot intelligence at its best!

There have been several cases where international law have been flouted, and unfortunately, will continue to happen (a good case is Nasser of Egypt defying the World Court over the Straits of Turin being international waters, and the UN in 1966 defying the World Court over its legal opinion regarding South Africa's mandate over SWA/Namibia). And in regards to the Montevideo Convention, the TRNC meets the criteria, but the bottom line is that other countries would have to acknowledge it, and thus far, only Turkey and Azarbaijan's NAR have done so.

[Sotos]

Is the KKTC a pseudo state?

No, it is a real state and it exists.

Only a pseudo state would bother making up such nonsense. REAL states never need to convince others that they exist. You can't even convince TCs who line up to take passports and IDs of Republic of Cyprus. Nobody questions that Republic of Cyprus exists. And nobody questions the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus over the whole island. That leaves no space for any "trnc". You are just foreign invaders that you illegally occupy part of OUR country.

RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council
on 18 November 1983



The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create an independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need for a solution of the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-General's statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to pursue his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all States and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

Adopted at the 2500th meeting by 13 votes to 1 against (Pakistan) with 1 abstention (Jordan).

[Bananiot]

The article illustrates quite clearly why the bigots love to hate Loucas Charalampous.